US journalist beheaded by ISIS...
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superkartracer said:
Cobnapint said:
Muntu said:
God rest him.
Are we intervening to make Britain safer or are we intervening so not to feel embarrassed in front of the Americans and Arabs?
I would much rather concentrate on religious radicalisation at home - tackle the minority of mosques, preachers, schools etc which promote and allow an extremist Islamist ideology which can be a precursor for violent extremism. Crack down on extremist content on the internet, tighten the visa requirement for foreign preachers, stop people in Saudi Arabia and Qatar funding mosques and schools in this country etc.
I would much rather concentrate on religious radicalisation at home - tackle the minority of mosques, preachers, schools etc which promote and allow an extremist Islamist ideology which can be a precursor for violent extremism. Crack down on extremist content on the internet, tighten the visa requirement for foreign preachers, stop people in Saudi Arabia and Qatar funding mosques and schools in this country etc.
BlackLabel said:
Are we intervening to make Britain safer or are we intervening so not to feel embarrassed in front of the Americans and Arabs?
I would much rather concentrate on religious radicalisation at home - tackle the minority of mosques, preachers, schools etc which promote and allow an extremist Islamist ideology which can be a precursor for violent extremism. Crack down on extremist content on the internet, tighten the visa requirement for foreign preachers etc.
maybe an unspoken 'sorry we fI would much rather concentrate on religious radicalisation at home - tackle the minority of mosques, preachers, schools etc which promote and allow an extremist Islamist ideology which can be a precursor for violent extremism. Crack down on extremist content on the internet, tighten the visa requirement for foreign preachers etc.
ked up the ME'?photosnob said:
BlackLabel said:
Crack down on extremist content on the internet
And just how do you propose to do that? If it was possible there would not be tons of child porn, and they would already have done it. It's already impossible and advanced in technology are just making it harder.
Listen to some of the things Anjem Choudhary and his ilk have said on camera over the years. Some of it is very close to 'glorifying terrorism' which is a crime. For example, their praise of the 9/11 attacks. Why did it take so long to lock him up?
Mermaid said:
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Involve Iran & Saudi
Involve?Involve Iran & Saudi
They should be leading this, along with Jordan, Syria, Egypt. The lot of them.
If they need help on tactics or intel' then maybe we help out there. But all the local powers should be leading this.
Who knows, maybe it would lead to a little bit more cohesiveness and harmony, and actually help the future state of affairs in the region.
Perhaps Blair and Obama could even coerce the the Israelis to help.
BlackLabel said:
Stop it at the source?
Listen to some of the things Anjem Choudhary and his ilk have said on camera over the years. Some of it is very close to 'glorifying terrorism' which is a crime. For example, their praise of the 9/11 attacks. Why did it take so long to lock him up?
The problem is - most of the most powerful "content" doesn't come from these shores. It comes from abroad. Listen to some of the things Anjem Choudhary and his ilk have said on camera over the years. Some of it is very close to 'glorifying terrorism' which is a crime. For example, their praise of the 9/11 attacks. Why did it take so long to lock him up?
Also all you can do it drive things underground. All you have to do is give a speech behind a balaclava with some form of minor voice distortion.
Also how successful was Thatcher in "silencing" the IRA?
It cannot be done. Trying to do it (except with the token gesture of taking it off British hosting) is a waste of time and resources.
BlackLabel said:
Are we intervening to make Britain safer or are we intervening so not to feel embarrassed in front of the Americans and Arabs?
We are intervening so as to keep our seat at the middle east table. Influence comes at a price and we are prepared to pay it.
Others (Spain, Italy, Germany etc) not so much.
Murph7355 said:
Mermaid said:
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Involve Iran & Saudi
Involve?Involve Iran & Saudi
They should be leading this, along with Jordan, Syria, Egypt. The lot of them.
If they need help on tactics or intel' then maybe we help out there. But all the local powers should be leading this.
Who knows, maybe it would lead to a little bit more cohesiveness and harmony, and actually help the future state of affairs in the region.
Perhaps Blair and Obama could even coerce the the Israelis to help.
Fittster said:
Cobnapint said:
there was no way the US or anybody could have seen the rise of these twisted retards.
Rubbish. Messing with internal set-ups of other countries has a long history of creating negative results.king 'internal set-up', it's a group of islamist nutters sweeping across swathes of Iraq and Syria that like to hack peoples heads off, mount it on a metal fence spike and post the whole thing on YouTube if they don't agree with them.They shoot young boys and girls for minor disobedience.
They cut off the heads of babies.
They are training young kids to kill and hate the west.
Don't believe it? Not in my back yard? Do a few searches online and then come back to me. And while you're doing that, try and imagine how you'd feel if the aid worker in question was a member of YOUR family.
I'm just glad people like you weren't around in 1939, when we went 'messing' in Europe against the advancing Nazis.
Fittster said:
How the Danes handle the issue:
"Of the Danish Muslims who go to Syria, some want to do aid work, while some want to wage jihad. But very little is known about those who go to Syria and then return to Denmark. That's what the leader of the section for prevention of radicalisation and extremism at Eastern Jutland’s police, Allan Aarslev, told me.
Nevertheless the risk of so-called home going terrorism is treated very seriously. But instead of confiscating passports and threatening them with prison – measures recently brought to Denmark that are similar to suggested laws in the UK – Allan and his team are trying a different approach. They offer therapy and guidance, while reaching out to the parents in the community. They do this both preemptively and after the young men have returned to their communities. The idea being to reintegrate the young men into Danish society."
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/rhus-is-rehabilitat...
The Daily Mail would not approve.
Amazing; they'll be hit first and worse. This will be seen as weakness to be taken advantage of."Of the Danish Muslims who go to Syria, some want to do aid work, while some want to wage jihad. But very little is known about those who go to Syria and then return to Denmark. That's what the leader of the section for prevention of radicalisation and extremism at Eastern Jutland’s police, Allan Aarslev, told me.
Nevertheless the risk of so-called home going terrorism is treated very seriously. But instead of confiscating passports and threatening them with prison – measures recently brought to Denmark that are similar to suggested laws in the UK – Allan and his team are trying a different approach. They offer therapy and guidance, while reaching out to the parents in the community. They do this both preemptively and after the young men have returned to their communities. The idea being to reintegrate the young men into Danish society."
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/rhus-is-rehabilitat...
The Daily Mail would not approve.
TheJimi said:
Cobnapint said:
Anyone with an ounce of logic would understand that there was no way the US or anybody could have seen the rise of these twisted retards.
Who the hell do you think we were fighting during Iraq II?Remember Al Zarqawi? Yeah, the guy who lead Al Qaeda In Iraq - same guy who had a penchant for beheading captives on video.
A rose by an other name. Those people were ISIS: The early years.
They bode their time, waited until the coalition troops had left and started to re-group. That the Al Maliki government marginalised the Sunni's, played right into the hands of ISIS.
Syria gave them another ripe breeding ground.
Unforseen? I'd bet any western intelligence agency worth their salt saw this coming.
Edited by TheJimi on Friday 26th September 09:54
audidoody said:
Yep - because I can just see the IDF working alongside countries sworn to its destruction (Egypt and Jordan excepted)
They've already done a lot less to ISIS and all than Hezbollah! Their position will be to do nothing unless they're attacked directly and try and make political capital about their vulnerable position. Remember the Syrian jet that they shot down after it popped into "Israeli" air space after bombing the Syrian rebels? "The enemy of my enemy is my enemy."Lost soul said:
irocfan said:
Murph7355 said:
Perhaps Blair and Obama could even coerce the the Israelis to help.
fk no!!! Keep them well out of this one otherwise the whole fking place really will go up!!Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff