US journalist beheaded by ISIS...

[Ayahuasca]

KareemK said:

hornetrider said:

Why aren't the Apaches over there? They'd instill the fear of god into them.

Christ, they only just beat Custer.

No, they were Sioux.

[Jimbeaux]

Ayahuasca said:

Jimbeaux said:

The Indiana Air National Guard is heading to the ME. They are an A-10 Thunderbolt II unit. I have been on the field with A-10s in action. Nothing instills fear in our allies like one of those ugly bds swarming just over your head.

Edited that for you.

There is validity in that!

[Rovinghawk]

Jimbeaux said:

The A10 is extremely manuverable at low altitudes as well.

The significance of the ME as opposed to Europe is the large numbers of wide expanses of flat ground.
The ability to manoeuvre is less important when someone several miles behind or to the side can launch a missile which the pilot doesn't see coming.

Note the Israeli losses against Egyptian air defences all those years ago; planes haven't improved as much as missiles in the intervening years & the terrain hasn't changed much either.

[Jimbeaux]

Rovinghawk said:

Jimbeaux said:

The A10 is extremely manuverable at low altitudes as well.

The significance of the ME as opposed to Europe is the large numbers of wide expanses of flat ground.
The ability to manoeuvre is less important when someone several miles behind or to the side can launch a missile which the pilot doesn't see coming.

Note the Israeli losses against Egyptian air defences all those years ago; planes haven't improved as much as missiles in the intervening years & the terrain hasn't changed much either.

True; however, the A10, having been designed to operate at low-slow vulnerable zones, has some of the best "incoming" detection there is.

[Rovinghawk]

How do you detect a missile with a passive (IR) guidance system?

[irocfan]

Rovinghawk said:

Jimbeaux said:

Is that directed at me or Mr. Hawk? I assume Mr. Hawk, as he did the knocking?

You're being very polite. Good afternoon (as it is here).

Back to topic, my understanding of the A10 is that it was withdrawn from the European theatre due to concern over vulnerability to more modern anti-aircraft systems. Bearing in mind the significance of AA weapons in the ME over many years, is this not a big concern now?

the 'logic'...




and the reasons...
http://www.rense.com/general38/a10.htm


cynical? Moi???

[Jimbeaux]

Rovinghawk said:

How do you detect a missile with a passive (IR) guidance system?

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/siircm.htm

[Rovinghawk]

Jimbeaux said:

Rovinghawk said:

How do you detect a missile with a passive (IR) guidance system?

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/siircm.htm

Interesting, but I did actually state passive IR- this seems quite a good system against active IR systems.

(Please note I use active IR ranging systems on an almost daily basis)

[Jimbeaux]

Rovinghawk said:

Jimbeaux said:

Rovinghawk said:

How do you detect a missile with a passive (IR) guidance system?

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/siircm.htm

Interesting, but I did actually state passive IR- this seems quite a good system against active IR systems.

(Please note I use active IR ranging systems on an almost daily basis)

Sorry, let me look. How many passive IR weapons do you think may be in ISIS hands?

[Rovinghawk]

Jimbeaux said:

How many passive IR weapons do you think may be in ISIS hands?

I've no idea- they seem to fairly well-equipped. I'd presume them to be well-equipped to have made the gains they have.

Didn't the US donate an awful lot of Stinger missiles to that end of the world a while back? I'd not be surprised if they had some soviet-style equivalents lying around the place, too.

Edited by Rovinghawk on Thursday 2nd October 16:04

[Jimbeaux]

Rovinghawk said:

Jimbeaux said:

How many passive IR weapons do you think may be in ISIS hands?

I've no idea- they seem to fairly well-equipped. I'd presume them to be well-equipped to have made the gains they have.

I've seen who was up against them; moderate equipment would be sufficent.

[Lost soul]

Rovinghawk said:

Jimbeaux said:

How many passive IR weapons do you think may be in ISIS hands?

I've no idea- they seem to fairly well-equipped. I'd presume them to be well-equipped to have made the gains they have.

I think their weaponry is over estimated , so they got a few tanks and APV's along with some Humvees , you can guarantee these will be top of the target list and impossible to hide

[Langweilig]

BBC News - Two more Tornados sent to RAF Akrotiri.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29469520

[smegmore]

Langweilig said:

BBC News - Two more Tornados sent to RAF Akrotiri.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29469520

So that makes eight in total.

The skies over Lincolnshire must be a bit quiet then.

Who's going to tackle the Russian Bears over the North Sea?

[Seeker UK]

smegmore said:

Who's going to tackle the Russian Bears over the North Sea?

The Typhoons.

[anonymous-user]

Jimbeaux said:

True; however, the A10, having been designed to operate at low-slow vulnerable zones, has some of the best "incoming" detection there is.

I have always liked the A10, really mean aircraft!

[Halmyre]

Jimbeaux said:

The Indiana Air National Guard is heading to the ME. They are an A-10 Thunderbolt II unit. I have been on the field with A-10s in action. Nothing instills fear in an enemy like one of those ugly bds swarming just over your head.

Instils fear in its own side as well.

[Cobnapint]

Seeker UK said:

smegmore said:

Who's going to tackle the Russian Bears over the North Sea?

The Typhoons.

We've still got plenty of yanks here don't forget. Saw three F15 E's yesterday on their way back to Lakenheath, going through the Welsh valley I'm in. Stunning.

[Jimbeaux]

Halmyre said:

Jimbeaux said:

The Indiana Air National Guard is heading to the ME. They are an A-10 Thunderbolt II unit. I have been on the field with A-10s in action. Nothing instills fear in an enemy like one of those ugly bds swarming just over your head.

Instils fear in its own side as well.

Someone already posted that old chestnut.

[simo1863]

anonymous said:

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I'm sure I've read somewhere that it can take a hell of a beating too and can be kept in the air on one, partially damaged engine.