US journalist beheaded by ISIS...

US journalist beheaded by ISIS...

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TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Cobnapint said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
I think the "throughout the Muslim world" bit is telling. UK Muslims would be more appropriate, don't you think?
Same % I believe.
I'm not really interested in what you believe, just in what you can argue, justify, prove and cite references for. All else is hot air.

lord trumpton

7,320 posts

125 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Oh well, no tears shed here either.

Good riddance I say yes

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

261 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
Cobnapint said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
I think the "throughout the Muslim world" bit is telling. UK Muslims would be more appropriate, don't you think?
Same % I believe.
I'm not really interested in what you believe, just in what you can argue, justify, prove and cite references for. All else is hot air.



jonny142

1,502 posts

224 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Mojocvh said:
Taken from here ...BOOOM !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BHiqs8JkoI

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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jonny142 said:
Yes, the hill by Kobane which I mention on the top of p.112.

Hang on, isn't Kobane being defended by Kurds (Muslims)? Wonder if any twerp with a clip board bothered to ask their opinion on Daesh?

Langweilig

4,298 posts

210 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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The only language that's understood by amoral murdering scum like him



Edited by Langweilig on Saturday 25th October 22:32

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, Isis threatens to kill British jihadis wanting to come home

"........the former Guantánamo Bay detainee Moazzam Begg confirmed that he was also aware of dozens of British men keen to return to the UK but who were trapped in Syria and Iraq, in effect held by a group they wanted to leave. Begg said he knew of more than 30 who wanted to come back. They had travelled to join rebels fighting the Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad but had subsequently become embroiled with Isis, some for language reasons – Isis had more English-speaking members."



Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Saturday 25th October 23:31

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Mr_B said:
Haha, don't make me cheer Isis, please.
Why would you want to cheer ISIS?

griffin dai

3,194 posts

148 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
Oh well.
Family Guys on.....

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

230 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, Isis threatens to kill British jihadis wanting to come home

"........the former Guantánamo Bay detainee Moazzam Begg confirmed that he was also aware of dozens of British men keen to return to the UK but who were trapped in Syria and Iraq, in effect held by a group they wanted to leave. Begg said he knew of more than 30 who wanted to come back. They had travelled to join rebels fighting the Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad but had subsequently become embroiled with Isis, some for language reasons – Isis had more English-speaking members."



Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Saturday 25th October 23:31
Bad choice going in the first place, huh? Come back? fk them, may they die where they stand and go to Hell.

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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Jimbeaux said:
Bad choice going in the first place, huh? Come back? fk them, may they die where they stand and go to Hell.
Sure, a bad move. But we've all made bad choices.

Imagine they'd gone to fight Assad -- a position that both US and UK governments looked to be very close to endorsing -- and found themselves not with the FSA, but with one of the other groups. They might well want to come back. The alternatives:

a. keep fighting for whoever
b. desert to a "better" group (or surrender, if they're taking prisoners that day)
c. come home

Think of one of your GIs fighting for a Kurdish "terrorist" group. Are you going to allow them home to the land of the free?

It's not as if the situation was anything like clear cut -- groups that the US supported 3 months ago are now being bombed by them.

  • Kurds. "Terrorists", supported by the US with arms, food, and medicine drops (also armed by Germany and the UK). Fighting the Daesh, sometimes the Turks, the Syrian and Iraqi armies if pushed, uneasy alliance with (parts of) the FSA who they were fighting.
  • FSA. Supported by Turkey and the US, uneasy alliance with the Kurds, attacked by Syrian government and Daesh.
  • Hezbollah. Fighting along the Syrian army for as long as the Iranians believe it's a good idea. Then probably going home.
  • The Daesh. At least 3 different factions, all of whom have been fighting each other at some point. Attacked by the Syrians and the coallition, the FSA and Kurds.
  • The Druze. Trying desperately to keep out of it.
Iraq is simpler, just the Kurds, Government and various militias fighting Daesh (and the Iranians doing something on the side).

What depresses more are the armchair warriors on here, gloating about death: something which I've never encountered among combatants.






Westy Pre-Lit

5,087 posts

202 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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My heart bleeds for the poor little lambs,

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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Westy Pre-Lit said:
My heart bleeds for the poor little lambs,
I don't think anyone is asking for your heart to bleed. But Pre-Lit pretty much sums you up, don't you think? Not a brain cell or an original thought in your body.

Are you going to let the GIs fighting for the Kurds back in the US?

Westy Pre-Lit

5,087 posts

202 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
I don't think anyone is asking for your heart to bleed. But Pre-Lit pretty much sums you up, don't you think? Not a brain cell or an original thought in your body.

Are you going to let the GIs fighting for the Kurds back in the US?
Due to your hurtful but witty insult I'm now sat in the corner of the room and inconsolable, I'm going to be telling my mummy on you.

They should cry for their mummy if they want someone to care.

NicD

3,281 posts

256 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
Are you going to let the GIs fighting for the Kurds back in the US?
I am a late joiner to this thread but surely the reason you would 'not let someone back in to your country' is if either they would pose a significant danger, or they have been fighting against your countries' troops (treason).

PorkInsider

5,877 posts

140 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
Sure, a bad move. But we've all made bad choices.
I'd call eating some slightly iffy ham that you really should have thrown away a 'bad choice' that we might all have made.

Joining possibly the most evil terrorist organisation the world has ever seen isn't quite the same.

photosnob

1,339 posts

117 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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PorkInsider said:
I'd call eating some slightly iffy ham that you really should have thrown away a 'bad choice' that we might all have made.

Joining possibly the most evil terrorist organisation the world has ever seen isn't quite the same.
Without wishing to get into the semantics of what is and isn't a terrorist organisation, I'm pretty confident that in recent history the nazis were the most evil. I can also think of a few others that caused more damage than Isis.

I'm not sure anyone is advocating letting all former fighters home with a pat on the back, I've actually advocated not letting them return. I just find white Middle class people (pistonheads people mostly) jumping up down at their death both distasteful, and more importantly likely to make more young confused/stupid Muslims figure they should join the cause.

The most shocking thing about the Isis executions was how it was used for propaganda and how they seemed to take joy in the deaths. Let's not fall into the trap of doing the same.

Mr_B

10,480 posts

242 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
Jimbeaux said:
Bad choice going in the first place, huh? Come back? fk them, may they die where they stand and go to Hell.
Sure, a bad move. But we've all made bad choices.
bowrofl You are pure comedy fella.

irocfan

40,152 posts

189 months

Sunday 26th October 2014
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photosnob said:
Without wishing to get into the semantics of what is and isn't a terrorist organisation, I'm pretty confident that in recent history the nazis were the most evil. I can also think of a few others that caused more damage than Isis.
I rather suspect that Joe Stalin's Russia and the Khmer Rouge might challenge that assessment. The fact that IS are even being discussed in the same breath as any of these three after less than 6 months though says it all.

I do take on-board 99fingers' assessment of misguided youth going out to fight Assad - and he is correct to a point. The issue is that over the past 3/5 months the stories we've been hearing leave no room for being missguided. One could argue that in previous eras you may have joined the SS, Khmer or NKVD because you didn't know all about what happeded behind the scenes but with IS there is no doubt what they're about thanks to modern insta-news