US journalist beheaded by ISIS...
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Cobnapint said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
I think the "throughout the Muslim world" bit is telling. UK Muslims would be more appropriate, don't you think?
Same % I believe.TheRealFingers99 said:
Cobnapint said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
I think the "throughout the Muslim world" bit is telling. UK Muslims would be more appropriate, don't you think?
Same % I believe.jonny142 said:
Taken from here ...BOOOM !!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BHiqs8JkoI
Yes, the hill by Kobane which I mention on the top of p.112. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BHiqs8JkoI
Hang on, isn't Kobane being defended by Kurds (Muslims)? Wonder if any twerp with a clip board bothered to ask their opinion on Daesh?
Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, Isis threatens to kill British jihadis wanting to come home
"........the former Guantánamo Bay detainee Moazzam Begg confirmed that he was also aware of dozens of British men keen to return to the UK but who were trapped in Syria and Iraq, in effect held by a group they wanted to leave. Begg said he knew of more than 30 who wanted to come back. They had travelled to join rebels fighting the Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad but had subsequently become embroiled with Isis, some for language reasons – Isis had more English-speaking members."
"........the former Guantánamo Bay detainee Moazzam Begg confirmed that he was also aware of dozens of British men keen to return to the UK but who were trapped in Syria and Iraq, in effect held by a group they wanted to leave. Begg said he knew of more than 30 who wanted to come back. They had travelled to join rebels fighting the Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad but had subsequently become embroiled with Isis, some for language reasons – Isis had more English-speaking members."
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Saturday 25th October 23:31
TheRealFingers99 said:
Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, Isis threatens to kill British jihadis wanting to come home
Meanwhile, the former Guantánamo Bay detainee Moazzam Begg confirmed that he was also aware of dozens of British men keen to return to the UK but who were trapped in Syria and Iraq, in effect held by a group they wanted to leave. Begg said he knew of more than 30 who wanted to come back. They had travelled to join rebels fighting the Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad but had subsequently become embroiled with Isis, some for language reasons – Isis had more English-speaking members.
Haha, don't make me cheer Isis, please.Meanwhile, the former Guantánamo Bay detainee Moazzam Begg confirmed that he was also aware of dozens of British men keen to return to the UK but who were trapped in Syria and Iraq, in effect held by a group they wanted to leave. Begg said he knew of more than 30 who wanted to come back. They had travelled to join rebels fighting the Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad but had subsequently become embroiled with Isis, some for language reasons – Isis had more English-speaking members.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, Isis threatens to kill British jihadis wanting to come home
Oh well.Family Guys on.....
TheRealFingers99 said:
Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, Isis threatens to kill British jihadis wanting to come home
"........the former Guantánamo Bay detainee Moazzam Begg confirmed that he was also aware of dozens of British men keen to return to the UK but who were trapped in Syria and Iraq, in effect held by a group they wanted to leave. Begg said he knew of more than 30 who wanted to come back. They had travelled to join rebels fighting the Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad but had subsequently become embroiled with Isis, some for language reasons – Isis had more English-speaking members."
Bad choice going in the first place, huh? Come back? fk them, may they die where they stand and go to Hell."........the former Guantánamo Bay detainee Moazzam Begg confirmed that he was also aware of dozens of British men keen to return to the UK but who were trapped in Syria and Iraq, in effect held by a group they wanted to leave. Begg said he knew of more than 30 who wanted to come back. They had travelled to join rebels fighting the Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad but had subsequently become embroiled with Isis, some for language reasons – Isis had more English-speaking members."
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Saturday 25th October 23:31
Jimbeaux said:
Bad choice going in the first place, huh? Come back? fk them, may they die where they stand and go to Hell.
Sure, a bad move. But we've all made bad choices.Imagine they'd gone to fight Assad -- a position that both US and UK governments looked to be very close to endorsing -- and found themselves not with the FSA, but with one of the other groups. They might well want to come back. The alternatives:
a. keep fighting for whoever
b. desert to a "better" group (or surrender, if they're taking prisoners that day)
c. come home
Think of one of your GIs fighting for a Kurdish "terrorist" group. Are you going to allow them home to the land of the free?
It's not as if the situation was anything like clear cut -- groups that the US supported 3 months ago are now being bombed by them.
- Kurds. "Terrorists", supported by the US with arms, food, and medicine drops (also armed by Germany and the UK). Fighting the Daesh, sometimes the Turks, the Syrian and Iraqi armies if pushed, uneasy alliance with (parts of) the FSA who they were fighting.
- FSA. Supported by Turkey and the US, uneasy alliance with the Kurds, attacked by Syrian government and Daesh.
- Hezbollah. Fighting along the Syrian army for as long as the Iranians believe it's a good idea. Then probably going home.
- The Daesh. At least 3 different factions, all of whom have been fighting each other at some point. Attacked by the Syrians and the coallition, the FSA and Kurds.
- The Druze. Trying desperately to keep out of it.
What depresses more are the armchair warriors on here, gloating about death: something which I've never encountered among combatants.
Westy Pre-Lit said:
My heart bleeds for the poor little lambs,
I don't think anyone is asking for your heart to bleed. But Pre-Lit pretty much sums you up, don't you think? Not a brain cell or an original thought in your body. Are you going to let the GIs fighting for the Kurds back in the US?
TheRealFingers99 said:
I don't think anyone is asking for your heart to bleed. But Pre-Lit pretty much sums you up, don't you think? Not a brain cell or an original thought in your body.
Are you going to let the GIs fighting for the Kurds back in the US?
Due to your hurtful but witty insult I'm now sat in the corner of the room and inconsolable, I'm going to be telling my mummy on you.Are you going to let the GIs fighting for the Kurds back in the US?
They should cry for their mummy if they want someone to care.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Are you going to let the GIs fighting for the Kurds back in the US?
I am a late joiner to this thread but surely the reason you would 'not let someone back in to your country' is if either they would pose a significant danger, or they have been fighting against your countries' troops (treason).TheRealFingers99 said:
Sure, a bad move. But we've all made bad choices.
I'd call eating some slightly iffy ham that you really should have thrown away a 'bad choice' that we might all have made.Joining possibly the most evil terrorist organisation the world has ever seen isn't quite the same.
PorkInsider said:
I'd call eating some slightly iffy ham that you really should have thrown away a 'bad choice' that we might all have made.
Joining possibly the most evil terrorist organisation the world has ever seen isn't quite the same.
Without wishing to get into the semantics of what is and isn't a terrorist organisation, I'm pretty confident that in recent history the nazis were the most evil. I can also think of a few others that caused more damage than Isis.Joining possibly the most evil terrorist organisation the world has ever seen isn't quite the same.
I'm not sure anyone is advocating letting all former fighters home with a pat on the back, I've actually advocated not letting them return. I just find white Middle class people (pistonheads people mostly) jumping up down at their death both distasteful, and more importantly likely to make more young confused/stupid Muslims figure they should join the cause.
The most shocking thing about the Isis executions was how it was used for propaganda and how they seemed to take joy in the deaths. Let's not fall into the trap of doing the same.
photosnob said:
Without wishing to get into the semantics of what is and isn't a terrorist organisation, I'm pretty confident that in recent history the nazis were the most evil. I can also think of a few others that caused more damage than Isis.
I rather suspect that Joe Stalin's Russia and the Khmer Rouge might challenge that assessment. The fact that IS are even being discussed in the same breath as any of these three after less than 6 months though says it all.I do take on-board 99fingers' assessment of misguided youth going out to fight Assad - and he is correct to a point. The issue is that over the past 3/5 months the stories we've been hearing leave no room for being missguided. One could argue that in previous eras you may have joined the SS, Khmer or NKVD because you didn't know all about what happeded behind the scenes but with IS there is no doubt what they're about thanks to modern insta-news
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