US journalist beheaded by ISIS...
Discussion
KareemK said:
There clearly is a rising problem but:
1. How big is the problem in reality? How at risk are you and I or our familes?
2. What is fuelling the anti-west feeling? Muslims have been around for a long time living amicably with Christians and the West but only in the last half century has it turned REALLY sour. Any ideas? Anybody?
1. Judging from the increasing number of arrests and random attacks around the world - big enough already, I'd say. And you'll only find out how at risk you are until you happen to find yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time when one of them decides to flip.1. How big is the problem in reality? How at risk are you and I or our familes?
2. What is fuelling the anti-west feeling? Muslims have been around for a long time living amicably with Christians and the West but only in the last half century has it turned REALLY sour. Any ideas? Anybody?
2. I guess the stand out cause of all this could be traced back to Gulf War 1 when Iraq was kicked out of Kuwait, and even more - GW2, when Saddam started to piss the UN weapons inspectors about and was attacked on his own soil by the US and UK without further authority from the Security Council. The Muslim world seemed to take this as an attack on their religion rather than one on an individual state which was designed to free Iraq of a murderous, hostage taking tyrant.
Oh, for the return of those relatively peaceful days....
I realise that some people are shocked at my suggestion of sending in British troops to rescue the British ISIS fighters. these being the British citizens who realised they made a mistake and want to come back. they are being prevented from doing so by hard line ISIS fighters who are threatening them with all manner of nasty things if they try to come home.
I understand that some posters think my suggestion is ridiculous but I just feel we have a moral obligation to do this. Once back home they can be talked to and given counselling and made to feel really British. A radicalised Militant Islamist following lad is only a few counselling sessions away from the path back to being a blighty loving local lad who helps out at the local corner shop.
Some of you say the idea is well stupid but surely as they are British citizens we would be right to try.
I understand that some posters think my suggestion is ridiculous but I just feel we have a moral obligation to do this. Once back home they can be talked to and given counselling and made to feel really British. A radicalised Militant Islamist following lad is only a few counselling sessions away from the path back to being a blighty loving local lad who helps out at the local corner shop.
Some of you say the idea is well stupid but surely as they are British citizens we would be right to try.
gpo746 said:
I realise that some people are shocked at my suggestion of sending in British troops to rescue the British ISIS fighters. these being the British citizens who realised they made a mistake and want to come back. they are being prevented from doing so by hard line ISIS fighters who are threatening them with all manner of nasty things if they try to come home.
I understand that some posters think my suggestion is ridiculous but I just feel we have a moral obligation to do this. Once back home they can be talked to and given counselling and made to feel really British. A radicalised Militant Islamist following lad is only a few counselling sessions away from the path back to being a blighty loving local lad who helps out at the local corner shop.
Some of you say the idea is well stupid but surely as they are British citizens we would be right to try.
fI understand that some posters think my suggestion is ridiculous but I just feel we have a moral obligation to do this. Once back home they can be talked to and given counselling and made to feel really British. A radicalised Militant Islamist following lad is only a few counselling sessions away from the path back to being a blighty loving local lad who helps out at the local corner shop.
Some of you say the idea is well stupid but surely as they are British citizens we would be right to try.
k them , let them die the horrible deaths that they went there to inflict on others gpo746 said:
Some of you say the idea is well stupid but surely as they are British citizens we would be right to try.
I don't consider them my countrymen. I say revoke their citizenship, even if it means they are without country, and leave them out there to their (bullet/shrapnel ridden, shallow grave) fate. The same with any of the IS sympathisers over here - "Here's a 1 way ticket to Tripoli, haveaniceflightnowbyebye" gpo746 said:
Once back home they can be talked to and given counselling and made to feel really British. A radicalised Militant Islamist following lad is only a few counselling sessions away from the path back to being a blighty loving local lad who helps out at the local corner shop.
A corner shop - really? Is your post some kind of feeble humour?I'd be quite happy to let them rot in Syria with their "Brothers" but then I don't personally know any of them. If you want a mentally deranged killer living with you then I'm sure there are plenty of houses empty in Syria at the moment you can move into. I for one don't want any of them back and certainly don't want the special forces moving in unless their intentions are very, very different from rescue.
gpo746 said:
I realise that some people are shocked at my suggestion of sending in British troops to rescue the British ISIS fighters. these being the British citizens who realised they made a mistake and want to come back. they are being prevented from doing so by hard line ISIS fighters who are threatening them with all manner of nasty things if they try to come home.
I understand that some posters think my suggestion is ridiculous but I just feel we have a moral obligation to do this. Once back home they can be talked to and given counselling and made to feel really British. A radicalised Militant Islamist following lad is only a few counselling sessions away from the path back to being a blighty loving local lad who helps out at the local corner shop.
Some of you say the idea is well stupid but surely as they are British citizens we would be right to try.
Is this some kind of strange April 1st joke I understand that some posters think my suggestion is ridiculous but I just feel we have a moral obligation to do this. Once back home they can be talked to and given counselling and made to feel really British. A radicalised Militant Islamist following lad is only a few counselling sessions away from the path back to being a blighty loving local lad who helps out at the local corner shop.
Some of you say the idea is well stupid but surely as they are British citizens we would be right to try.
gpo746 said:
I realise that some people are shocked at my suggestion of sending in British troops to rescue the British ISIS fighters. these being the British citizens who realised they made a mistake and want to come back. they are being prevented from doing so by hard line ISIS fighters who are threatening them with all manner of nasty things if they try to come home.
I understand that some posters think my suggestion is ridiculous but I just feel we have a moral obligation to do this. Once back home they can be talked to and given counselling and made to feel really British. A radicalised Militant Islamist following lad is only a few counselling sessions away from the path back to being a blighty loving local lad who helps out at the local corner shop.
Some of you say the idea is well stupid but surely as they are British citizens we would be right to try.
And what is to stop them being "re-radicalized" and becoming a role model to radicalize more people?I understand that some posters think my suggestion is ridiculous but I just feel we have a moral obligation to do this. Once back home they can be talked to and given counselling and made to feel really British. A radicalised Militant Islamist following lad is only a few counselling sessions away from the path back to being a blighty loving local lad who helps out at the local corner shop.
Some of you say the idea is well stupid but surely as they are British citizens we would be right to try.
gpo746 said:
I realise that some people are shocked at my suggestion of sending in British troops to rescue the British ISIS fighters. these being the British citizens who realised they made a mistake and want to come back. they are being prevented from doing so by hard line ISIS fighters who are threatening them with all manner of nasty things if they try to come home.
I understand that some posters think my suggestion is ridiculous but I just feel we have a moral obligation to do this. Once back home they can be talked to and given counselling and made to feel really British. A radicalised Militant Islamist following lad is only a few counselling sessions away from the path back to being a blighty loving local lad who helps out at the local corner shop.
Some of you say the idea is well stupid but surely as they are British citizens we would be right to try.
No, just no! They have left on their own accord to fight a fight against this country, let them be murdered and have their 90 virgin goats.I understand that some posters think my suggestion is ridiculous but I just feel we have a moral obligation to do this. Once back home they can be talked to and given counselling and made to feel really British. A radicalised Militant Islamist following lad is only a few counselling sessions away from the path back to being a blighty loving local lad who helps out at the local corner shop.
Some of you say the idea is well stupid but surely as they are British citizens we would be right to try.
But if its all our fault as is always is then shouldn't we at least try to make it right by getting them back to their families.
I know its all a bit "Saving Private Jihad" to some of you but shouldn't we at least try.
A task force of say 30 hand picked Asian looking soldiers, preferably with Tower Hamlets or Bradford accents to add authenticity could be smuggled into the country and they could approach the waverers and assist them to escape. Once back a crack team of psychologists and benefit advisors could start the process of deradicalisation. Obviously they (the reformed mullah lads ) would have to be carefully screened as any harbouring really bad plans to affect other UK citizens would have to be jailed or given Scottish National Party memberships and sent to Glasgow.
But the ones that could be rehabilitated should be given the chance to do so. Its worth the few million it will cost as it will show to all the world that we forgive those what want to hurt us and we are a beacon of hope in the world.
Either that or we all get killed when they start discovering chemical weapons and slip the stuff into the supplies at the corner shops.
It may go wrong but as with so many other things, political correctness, mass immigration, building up good race relations at the expense of common sense it doesn't mean we shouldn't try does it ?
I know its all a bit "Saving Private Jihad" to some of you but shouldn't we at least try.
A task force of say 30 hand picked Asian looking soldiers, preferably with Tower Hamlets or Bradford accents to add authenticity could be smuggled into the country and they could approach the waverers and assist them to escape. Once back a crack team of psychologists and benefit advisors could start the process of deradicalisation. Obviously they (the reformed mullah lads ) would have to be carefully screened as any harbouring really bad plans to affect other UK citizens would have to be jailed or given Scottish National Party memberships and sent to Glasgow.
But the ones that could be rehabilitated should be given the chance to do so. Its worth the few million it will cost as it will show to all the world that we forgive those what want to hurt us and we are a beacon of hope in the world.
Either that or we all get killed when they start discovering chemical weapons and slip the stuff into the supplies at the corner shops.
It may go wrong but as with so many other things, political correctness, mass immigration, building up good race relations at the expense of common sense it doesn't mean we shouldn't try does it ?
Biker's Nemesis said:
They have left on their own accord to fight a fight against this country...
No they didn't. Nearly all of them went to fight Assad and have found themselves stuck (for want of a better word) there in the hands of ISIL.However, these people can and should never come home. They pose far too big a danger to the British public. Nothing could, should or will be done to try and get them back, no matter what the press or 'uman rights knobbers have to say about it. Within a few days or weeks we'll all be treated to the next atrocity and they'll be forgotten, quite rightly.
ISIL are a strange outfit. In some ways they are medieval in their tactics, behaviour and methodology. In others they are bang up to date - far more advanced than the west. I'm thinking specifically about radicalisation.
It would be a magnificent waste of money, manpower and resources to attempt to get them back here.
They may well be 'innocent' but life is hard and lessons need to be learned. I don't want to see a single Brit of any denomination killed by an act of religious violence but these poor b
ds are just in the wrong place at the wrong time and will pay the ultimate price. Nothing we could or should do about it other than shrug and remember not to go fighting foreign religious wars.
gpo746 said:
But if its all our fault as is always is then shouldn't we at least try to make it right by getting them back to their families.
I know its all a bit "Saving Private Jihad" to some of you but shouldn't we at least try.
A task force of say 30 hand picked Asian looking soldiers, preferably with Tower Hamlets or Bradford accents to add authenticity could be smuggled into the country and they could approach the waverers and assist them to escape. Once back a crack team of psychologists and benefit advisors could start the process of deradicalisation. Obviously they (the reformed mullah lads ) would have to be carefully screened as any harbouring really bad plans to affect other UK citizens would have to be jailed or given Scottish National Party memberships and sent to Glasgow.
But the ones that could be rehabilitated should be given the chance to do so. Its worth the few million it will cost as it will show to all the world that we forgive those what want to hurt us and we are a beacon of hope in the world.
Either that or we all get killed when they start discovering chemical weapons and slip the stuff into the supplies at the corner shops.
It may go wrong but as with so many other things, political correctness, mass immigration, building up good race relations at the expense of common sense it doesn't mean we shouldn't try does it ?
I know its all a bit "Saving Private Jihad" to some of you but shouldn't we at least try.
A task force of say 30 hand picked Asian looking soldiers, preferably with Tower Hamlets or Bradford accents to add authenticity could be smuggled into the country and they could approach the waverers and assist them to escape. Once back a crack team of psychologists and benefit advisors could start the process of deradicalisation. Obviously they (the reformed mullah lads ) would have to be carefully screened as any harbouring really bad plans to affect other UK citizens would have to be jailed or given Scottish National Party memberships and sent to Glasgow.
But the ones that could be rehabilitated should be given the chance to do so. Its worth the few million it will cost as it will show to all the world that we forgive those what want to hurt us and we are a beacon of hope in the world.
Either that or we all get killed when they start discovering chemical weapons and slip the stuff into the supplies at the corner shops.
It may go wrong but as with so many other things, political correctness, mass immigration, building up good race relations at the expense of common sense it doesn't mean we shouldn't try does it ?
I think my sides actually split open this time, quite possibly the funniest thing I've ever read on the internet.
gpo746 said:
I realise that some people are shocked at my suggestion of sending in British troops to rescue the British ISIS fighters. these being the British citizens who realised they made a mistake and want to come back. they are being prevented from doing so by hard line ISIS fighters who are threatening them with all manner of nasty things if they try to come home.
I understand that some posters think my suggestion is ridiculous but I just feel we have a moral obligation to do this. Once back home they can be talked to and given counselling and made to feel really British. A radicalised Militant Islamist following lad is only a few counselling sessions away from the path back to being a blighty loving local lad who helps out at the local corner shop.
Some of you say the idea is well stupid but surely as they are British citizens we would be right to try.
And then this gem...I understand that some posters think my suggestion is ridiculous but I just feel we have a moral obligation to do this. Once back home they can be talked to and given counselling and made to feel really British. A radicalised Militant Islamist following lad is only a few counselling sessions away from the path back to being a blighty loving local lad who helps out at the local corner shop.
Some of you say the idea is well stupid but surely as they are British citizens we would be right to try.
gpo746 said:
But if its all our fault as is always is then shouldn't we at least try to make it right by getting them back to their families.
I know its all a bit "Saving Private Jihad" to some of you but shouldn't we at least try.
A task force of say 30 hand picked Asian looking soldiers, preferably with Tower Hamlets or Bradford accents to add authenticity could be smuggled into the country and they could approach the waverers and assist them to escape. Once back a crack team of psychologists and benefit advisors could start the process of deradicalisation. Obviously they (the reformed mullah lads ) would have to be carefully screened as any harbouring really bad plans to affect other UK citizens would have to be jailed or given Scottish National Party memberships and sent to Glasgow.
But the ones that could be rehabilitated should be given the chance to do so. Its worth the few million it will cost as it will show to all the world that we forgive those what want to hurt us and we are a beacon of hope in the world.
Either that or we all get killed when they start discovering chemical weapons and slip the stuff into the supplies at the corner shops.
It may go wrong but as with so many other things, political correctness, mass immigration, building up good race relations at the expense of common sense it doesn't mean we shouldn't try does it ?
I know its all a bit "Saving Private Jihad" to some of you but shouldn't we at least try.
A task force of say 30 hand picked Asian looking soldiers, preferably with Tower Hamlets or Bradford accents to add authenticity could be smuggled into the country and they could approach the waverers and assist them to escape. Once back a crack team of psychologists and benefit advisors could start the process of deradicalisation. Obviously they (the reformed mullah lads ) would have to be carefully screened as any harbouring really bad plans to affect other UK citizens would have to be jailed or given Scottish National Party memberships and sent to Glasgow.
But the ones that could be rehabilitated should be given the chance to do so. Its worth the few million it will cost as it will show to all the world that we forgive those what want to hurt us and we are a beacon of hope in the world.
Either that or we all get killed when they start discovering chemical weapons and slip the stuff into the supplies at the corner shops.
It may go wrong but as with so many other things, political correctness, mass immigration, building up good race relations at the expense of common sense it doesn't mean we shouldn't try does it ?
Jimbeaux said:
So what ? Send them to hell with the rest of them. Did you think I only meant that for the Brits who fight for ISIS???
I'm gobsmacked. Why? If you have "sort of" US Govt support for the Kurds, SAS calling in the strikes (for the Kurds) against ISIS in Kobane (according to the Daily Mail, but I'd guess someone's got to be trained to do it) why would you want to off private US citizens fighting alongside US allies?
Seems a bit mental to me. "Our ally's ally is our enemy?" Is this some Republican thing?
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Tuesday 28th October 14:57
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