US journalist beheaded by ISIS...

[gpo746]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Jimbeaux said:

So what ? Send them to hell with the rest of them. Did you think I only meant that for the Brits who fight for ISIS???

I'm gobsmacked.

Why? If you have "sort of" US Govt support for the Kurds, SAS calling in the strikes (for the Kurds) against ISIS in Kobane (according to the Daily Mail, but I'd guess someone's got to be trained to do it) why would you want to off private US citizens fighting alongside US allies?

Seems a bit mental to me. "Our ally's ally is our enemy?" Is this some Republican thing?

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Tuesday 28th October 14:57

Ignore him Realfingers for he chooses to live in the real world, he isn't like you and me. We know that with counselling and the threat of ending up in a slum in Glasgow that these lads can be saved. You and I are so alike we are lone voices for compassion, rehabilitation and ridicule in a desert of common sense and practicality. I know you feel like me I can tell it from your posts. Lets meet up and post some videos on facebook, I can get an ominous looking black and red blanket for the background and Mrs Miggins at no 88 can lend us some redcheck tea towels and a couple of sheets so that's the backdrop and the outfits sorted.

[Cobnapint]

gpo746 said:

Ignore him Realfingers for he chooses to live in the real world, he isn't like you and me. We know that with counselling and the threat of ending up in a slum in Glasgow that these lads can be saved. You and I are so alike we are lone voices for compassion, rehabilitation and ridicule in a desert of common sense and practicality. I know you feel like me I can tell it from your posts. Lets meet up and post some videos on facebook, I can get an ominous looking black and red blanket for the background and Mrs Miggins at no 88 can lend us some redcheck tea towels and a couple of sheets so that's the backdrop and the outfits sorted.

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[TheRealFingers99]

gpo746 said:

Ignore him Realfingers for he chooses to live in the real world, he isn't like you and me. We know that with counselling and the threat of ending up in a slum in Glasgow that these lads can be saved. You and I are so alike we are lone voices for compassion, rehabilitation and ridicule in a desert of common sense and practicality. I know you feel like me I can tell it from your posts. Lets meet up and post some videos on facebook, I can get an ominous looking black and red blanket for the background and Mrs Miggins at no 88 can lend us some redcheck tea towels and a couple of sheets so that's the backdrop and the outfits sorted.

But Jimbeaux is talking about not allowing US citizens fighting for the Kurds back (after having denied there were any there!).

I know it's difficult for you to follow the terrible subtleties of this conflict, but the Kurds are supposed to be on our side.

Perhaps he just wants blood, like you keyboard warriors, or maybe he just hates Marxists?

[TheRealFingers99]

Cobnapint said:

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You too, chump.

Kurds, FSA = anti ISIS
USA, UK = anti ISIS

Do you understand who is actually taking the casualties against ISIS?

[Countdown]

benjj said:

Biker's Nemesis said:

They have left on their own accord to fight a fight against this country...

No they didn't. Nearly all of them went to fight Assad and have found themselves stuck (for want of a better word) there in the hands of ISIL.

And when they were fighting against Assad the US and its allies were happy for them to be supplied with weapons and cash. (This is completely different from when other countries supply groups with weapons and cash. That's Terrorism. We only fund the "good guys").

This has been a confused clusterfk from start to finish.

[gpo746]

TheRealFingers99 said:

gpo746 said:

Ignore him Realfingers for he chooses to live in the real world, he isn't like you and me. We know that with counselling and the threat of ending up in a slum in Glasgow that these lads can be saved. You and I are so alike we are lone voices for compassion, rehabilitation and ridicule in a desert of common sense and practicality. I know you feel like me I can tell it from your posts. Lets meet up and post some videos on facebook, I can get an ominous looking black and red blanket for the background and Mrs Miggins at no 88 can lend us some redcheck tea towels and a couple of sheets so that's the backdrop and the outfits sorted.

But Jimbeaux is talking about not allowing US citizens fighting for the Kurds back (after having denied there were any there!).

I know it's difficult for you to follow the terrible subtleties of this conflict, but the Kurds are supposed to be on our side.

Perhaps he just wants blood, like you keyboard warriors, or maybe he just hates Marxists?

that's not a very nice tone to take with me is it ? I know that there is some irony in you calling me a keyboard warrior but then again I know you are posting from the battlefront of your own laptop so I can forgive you.
Mrs Miggings has brought round a great selection of tea towels for the headgear and her sister has offered to hold up the cue cards when we do our address to the camera I can remember "I am a soldier and its all your fault" but not the rest. It will be a big help when Mabel holds the cards up.
Lets not fall out we are on the same side really

[TheRealFingers99]

gpo746 said:

that's not a very nice tone to take with me is it ? I know that there is some irony in you calling me a keyboard warrior but then again I know you are posting from the battlefront of your own laptop so I can forgive you.

Forgiveness accepted, comrade, heval, tovarishch, but I'm not the one calling for other people's blood (and for other people to spill it).

PKK really don't care about the colour of the tea towel:



And tea towels are not even compulsory:

gpo746 said:

Lets not fall out we are on the same side really

I have my doubts!

But I'm still waiting for Jimbaux's response.

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Tuesday 28th October 18:19

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Tuesday 28th October 23:42

[br d]

TheRealFingers99 said:

br d said:

Well, that's all very comforting.

What's most disturbing is that neither of you chumps can post a link that works! Did you even try them? Did you just swallow them whole from some other chump who swallowed them whole from some other chump, and so on?

That was the first time I've posted on this thread, thanks for saving me the effort of given your opinion any consideration.

[Cobnapint]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Cobnapint said:

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You too, chump.

Ay ay, calm down - calm down.

[robm3]

gpo746 said:

"Saving Private Jihad"....

[TheRealFingers99]

br d said:

That was the first time I've posted on this thread, thanks for saving me the effort of given your opinion any consideration.

And thanks for posting a lot of links that don't work.

[photosnob]

Realfinger99 is actually making some reasonable points. Some I agree with and some I don't. However at present we have very little in place for a flood of combat trained Muslims returning from a war-zone. Living in the real world, we are not going to stop them coming back. Even if we had the will to break international law in doing so, look how easy it is for people to get into the country.

I'm not overly fussed if radicalised Brits are killed, but if we don't start thinking about their return we are going to have a society where no one will feel remotely safe in public.

Now here is the biggy. Some highly trained and experienced soldiers break down and become unstable after going to war. 17 year old kids thrown into Isis are going to be a mess, if they come back you are going to have to treat them or lock them up forever. A large number of beds in pphyciatric hospitals is taken up by ex servicemen - the idea of ridiculing trf99 for pointing this out is silly. Indeed ex servicemen should theoretically be fast tracked for treatment for this very reason.

[TheRealFingers99]

This is worth a peek:

'Abdullah X:' Former extremist's cartoon aims to stop young Muslims joining ISIS.

[rich1231]

photosnob said:

Realfinger99 is actually making some reasonable points. Some I agree with and some I don't. However at present we have very little in place for a flood of combat trained Muslims returning from a war-zone. Living in the real world, we are not going to stop them coming back. Even if we had the will to break international law in doing so, look how easy it is for people to get into the country.

I'm not overly fussed if radicalised Brits are killed, but if we don't start thinking about their return we are going to have a society where no one will feel remotely safe in public.

Now here is the biggy. Some highly trained and experienced soldiers break down and become unstable after going to war. 17 year old kids thrown into Isis are going to be a mess, if they come back you are going to have to treat them or lock them up forever. A large number of beds in pphyciatric hospitals is taken up by ex servicemen - the idea of ridiculing trf99 for pointing this out is silly. Indeed ex servicemen should theoretically be fast tracked for treatment for this very reason.

We are not talking about servicemen though. We are talking about people that have decided to go and kill based upon a sky fair story. And those that go now knowing how ISIS operate are I would say Traitors. To compare them to British Soldiers is a terrible comparison.

[gpo746]

TheRealFingers99 said:

br d said:

That was the first time I've posted on this thread, thanks for saving me the effort of given your opinion any consideration.

And thanks for posting a lot of links that don't work.

realfingers I know it seems like they is all out to get you and I sympathise but br d didn't post any links. He simply commentated on another poster who had and then on my post. He didn't post any links.
I know you think we are all keyboard warriors and I know we don't compare to you out there in your scouse house amidst the middle of the ISIS fighting but you shouldn't attribute stuff to people that haven't said it.
If you go on ,like that it will damage our Saving Private Jihad campaign that is gathering momentum.
I know you care and I know its important we try and bring our ISIS lads back home. Its going to be hard separating those that went to Syria and Libya to discover their family roots and help protect their halfhalfhalfhalfhalfhalf cousins who want to come home, and those that want to come home and murder us all, the scheme needs all the help it can get and that means your posts being accurate. I have just started our charity collection scheme in tower Hamlets and its amazing how many people have contributed.

Lots of people want to help the campaign. Donations are coming in thick and fast. In fact Akballah from Bradford has installed a donations tin in every room of the house where his girls work from and the tins are full to bursting though he says that one of the punters mistakenly popped a condom packet into the slot so we need to watch out for that when we open the tin up.
Mrs Lou Decris from no 77 has bought some ink for her printer and she is busily printing out the "have you seen this freedom fighter" leaflets that we will distribute amongst the Syrian and Libyan people
Don't damage the stupidity of the whole idea by misquoting those who try and speak common sense it could all backfire on us.
Stay with the campaign bro !

[Digga]

I saw the father on the news last night addressing the media on the news he'd lost a second son in Syria, fighting with ISIS.

He appealed to the government to rethink their confiscation of passports, saying that he felt he could have visited Syria and persuaded his son(s) to come home, had his passport not been taken. I can understand why he might feel this, and also that not being radicalised himself, the wider community might be responsible for his son's indoctrination, but at the end of the day, there's no way would he persuade ISIS to let fighters go and, in no way is any community, other than the Muslim community responsible for radicalisation. Their isolation from the rest of the population has gifted extremists the opportunity to brainwash young people.

[photosnob]

rich1231 said:

We are not talking about servicemen though. We are talking about people that have decided to go and kill based upon a sky fair story. And those that go now knowing how ISIS operate are I would say Traitors. To compare them to British Soldiers is a terrible comparison.

I'm not saying they are the same.

I'm saying allowing people trained in the way Isis train, to walk around with ptsd and or other pphyciatric problems is a going to end very very badly.

Even if they have decided to renounce extremism they would be a ticking time bomb.

My point was simple, if they come back (and some will) we need to either lock them up forever or properly treat them. Forget about everything else for a moment - there is a strong possibility that some of them will be living next to us in a few years.

The advantage of helping some of them is that we can get intelligence then from them, and also that some may act to explain the negative side of waging jihad to young impressionable kids.

None of the scenarios are great - but we cannot no will not make them stateless, even if we did some would get back in, we can't lock them up forever (unless we pass new laws), so being really honest here we can either kill them or work with them. I'm not saying kill them to be provocative, but we did have a little experience with this in NI. Can't see that happening now though.

[KareemK]

photosnob said:

Forget about everything else for a moment - there is a strong possibility that some of them will be living next to us in a few years.

Reality check.

There is a FAR FAR higher probability that you will be living next to an ordinary member of the public who has commited murder/rape/paedophilic crimes than there is of you living next door to a member of ISIS who has done the same. Indeed the odds must be astronomically against you living next to an ISIS member who'll be 'primed and ready to go all Jihad on you'.

Or even a UK serviceman suffer PTS who's mentally on a knife edge.

Your exposure is minimal to say the least.

[photosnob]

KareemK said:

Reality check.

There is a FAR FAR higher probability that you will be living next to an ordinary member of the public who has commited murder/rape/paedophilic crimes than there is of you living next door to a member of ISIS who has done the same. Indeed the odds must be astronomically against you living next to an ISIS member who'll be 'primed and ready to go all Jihad on you'.

Or even a UK serviceman suffer PTS who's mentally on a knife edge.

Your exposure is minimal to say the least.

Murderers/rapists/peoadophiles as a general rule have not been trained in bomb making and other things we associated with being pretty awful.

Most British soldiers havnt either. However they are given treatment for and mental damage which is done to them. Again the government have seen this as so important veterans get priority treatment.

I didn't say everyone would be living next door to a terrorist. If 200 come back the chances are tiny in a country of 60 million.

However I do feel strongly that there has to be some support for those coming back. Call that sorting them out if you prefer harsher language. I'm not tarring all Muslims, I'm saying those who come back will be very very dangerous unless they are given some treatment.

[Jimbeaux]

Cobnapint said:

KareemK said:

There clearly is a rising problem but:

1. How big is the problem in reality? How at risk are you and I or our familes?

2. What is fuelling the anti-west feeling? Muslims have been around for a long time living amicably with Christians and the West but only in the last half century has it turned REALLY sour. Any ideas? Anybody?

1. Judging from the increasing number of arrests and random attacks around the world - big enough already, I'd say. And you'll only find out how at risk you are until you happen to find yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time when one of them decides to flip.

2. I guess the stand out cause of all this could be traced back to Gulf War 1 when Iraq was kicked out of Kuwait, and even more - GW2, when Saddam started to piss the UN weapons inspectors about and was attacked on his own soil by the US and UK without further authority from the Security Council. The Muslim world seemed to take this as an attack on their religion rather than one on an individual state which was designed to free Iraq of a murderous, hostage taking tyrant.

Oh, for the return of those relatively peaceful days....

We had attacks by Muslim extremists on our interests long before GWII, even before GWI.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Wednesday 29th October 14:20