US journalist beheaded by ISIS...
Discussion
gpo746 said:
I realise that some people are shocked at my suggestion of sending in British troops to rescue the British ISIS fighters. these being the British citizens who realised they made a mistake and want to come back. they are being prevented from doing so by hard line ISIS fighters who are threatening them with all manner of nasty things if they try to come home.
I understand that some posters think my suggestion is ridiculous but I just feel we have a moral obligation to do this. Once back home they can be talked to and given counselling and made to feel really British. A radicalised Militant Islamist following lad is only a few counselling sessions away from the path back to being a blighty loving local lad who helps out at the local corner shop.
Some of you say the idea is well stupid but surely as they are British citizens we would be right to try.
You see, it is those like yourself that evil movements such as ISIS thrive upon, take advantage of. You are a good person and your heart is in the right place but you are easily played. "Made to feel really British" you say, is that even allowed anymore? Jokes aside, those "lads" apparently showed no interest in "being really British" at all when they were living in relative wealth and comfort, why would they now?I understand that some posters think my suggestion is ridiculous but I just feel we have a moral obligation to do this. Once back home they can be talked to and given counselling and made to feel really British. A radicalised Militant Islamist following lad is only a few counselling sessions away from the path back to being a blighty loving local lad who helps out at the local corner shop.
Some of you say the idea is well stupid but surely as they are British citizens we would be right to try.
gpo746 said:
But if its all our fault as is always is then shouldn't we at least try to make it right by getting them back to their families.
I know its all a bit "Saving Private Jihad" to some of you but shouldn't we at least try.
A task force of say 30 hand picked Asian looking soldiers, preferably with Tower Hamlets or Bradford accents to add authenticity could be smuggled into the country and they could approach the waverers and assist them to escape. Once back a crack team of psychologists and benefit advisors could start the process of deradicalisation. Obviously they (the reformed mullah lads ) would have to be carefully screened as any harbouring really bad plans to affect other UK citizens would have to be jailed or given Scottish National Party memberships and sent to Glasgow.
But the ones that could be rehabilitated should be given the chance to do so. Its worth the few million it will cost as it will show to all the world that we forgive those what want to hurt us and we are a beacon of hope in the world.
Either that or we all get killed when they start discovering chemical weapons and slip the stuff into the supplies at the corner shops.
It may go wrong but as with so many other things, political correctness, mass immigration, building up good race relations at the expense of common sense it doesn't mean we shouldn't try does it ?
OK, reading this now allows me to understand your are carrying out a giant (and well done) pisstake. Sorry, I answered one of your post this morning in serious fashion, I'd not seen this obvious tip off post yet. Give a brother a break for time zoning! I know its all a bit "Saving Private Jihad" to some of you but shouldn't we at least try.
A task force of say 30 hand picked Asian looking soldiers, preferably with Tower Hamlets or Bradford accents to add authenticity could be smuggled into the country and they could approach the waverers and assist them to escape. Once back a crack team of psychologists and benefit advisors could start the process of deradicalisation. Obviously they (the reformed mullah lads ) would have to be carefully screened as any harbouring really bad plans to affect other UK citizens would have to be jailed or given Scottish National Party memberships and sent to Glasgow.
But the ones that could be rehabilitated should be given the chance to do so. Its worth the few million it will cost as it will show to all the world that we forgive those what want to hurt us and we are a beacon of hope in the world.
Either that or we all get killed when they start discovering chemical weapons and slip the stuff into the supplies at the corner shops.
It may go wrong but as with so many other things, political correctness, mass immigration, building up good race relations at the expense of common sense it doesn't mean we shouldn't try does it ?
Edited by Jimbeaux on Wednesday 29th October 14:21
TheRealFingers99 said:
Jimbeaux said:
So what ? Send them to hell with the rest of them. Did you think I only meant that for the Brits who fight for ISIS???
I'm gobsmacked. Why? If you have "sort of" US Govt support for the Kurds, SAS calling in the strikes (for the Kurds) against ISIS in Kobane (according to the Daily Mail, but I'd guess someone's got to be trained to do it) why would you want to off private US citizens fighting alongside US allies?
Seems a bit mental to me. "Our ally's ally is our enemy?" Is this some Republican thing?
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Tuesday 28th October 14:57
gpo746 said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Jimbeaux said:
So what ? Send them to hell with the rest of them. Did you think I only meant that for the Brits who fight for ISIS???
I'm gobsmacked. Why? If you have "sort of" US Govt support for the Kurds, SAS calling in the strikes (for the Kurds) against ISIS in Kobane (according to the Daily Mail, but I'd guess someone's got to be trained to do it) why would you want to off private US citizens fighting alongside US allies?
Seems a bit mental to me. "Our ally's ally is our enemy?" Is this some Republican thing?
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Tuesday 28th October 14:57
k my sister. TheRealFingers99 said:
gpo746 said:
Ignore him Realfingers for he chooses to live in the real world, he isn't like you and me. We know that with counselling and the threat of ending up in a slum in Glasgow that these lads can be saved. You and I are so alike we are lone voices for compassion, rehabilitation and ridicule in a desert of common sense and practicality. I know you feel like me I can tell it from your posts. Lets meet up and post some videos on facebook, I can get an ominous looking black and red blanket for the background and Mrs Miggins at no 88 can lend us some redcheck tea towels and a couple of sheets so that's the backdrop and the outfits sorted.
But Jimbeaux is talking about not allowing US citizens fighting for the Kurds back (after having denied there were any there!). I know it's difficult for you to follow the terrible subtleties of this conflict, but the Kurds are supposed to be on our side.
Perhaps he just wants blood, like you keyboard warriors, or maybe he just hates Marxists?
photosnob said:
Realfinger99 is actually making some reasonable points. Some I agree with and some I don't. However at present we have very little in place for a flood of combat trained Muslims returning from a war-zone. Living in the real world, we are not going to stop them coming back. Even if we had the will to break international law in doing so, look how easy it is for people to get into the country.
I'm not overly fussed if radicalised Brits are killed, but if we don't start thinking about their return we are going to have a society where no one will feel remotely safe in public.
Now here is the biggy. Some highly trained and experienced soldiers break down and become unstable after going to war. 17 year old kids thrown into Isis are going to be a mess, if they come back you are going to have to treat them or lock them up forever. A large number of beds in pphyciatric hospitals is taken up by ex servicemen - the idea of ridiculing trf99 for pointing this out is silly. Indeed ex servicemen should theoretically be fast tracked for treatment for this very reason.
Firstly, they should not be allowed back, full stop. Secondly, did you just equate a returning Brit ISIS fighter with a Brit ex services member? If I misunderstood, I am sorry.I'm not overly fussed if radicalised Brits are killed, but if we don't start thinking about their return we are going to have a society where no one will feel remotely safe in public.
Now here is the biggy. Some highly trained and experienced soldiers break down and become unstable after going to war. 17 year old kids thrown into Isis are going to be a mess, if they come back you are going to have to treat them or lock them up forever. A large number of beds in pphyciatric hospitals is taken up by ex servicemen - the idea of ridiculing trf99 for pointing this out is silly. Indeed ex servicemen should theoretically be fast tracked for treatment for this very reason.
OpulentBob said:
Jimbeaux said:
gpo746, best ninja sarcasm seen in quite awhile. I like you fellow, hell, you can come over and fk my sister.
k my sister. 
Jimbeaux said:
Firstly, they should not be allowed back, full stop. Secondly, did you just equate a returning Brit ISIS fighter with a Brit ex services member? If I misunderstood, I am sorry.
I am comparing the psychological affects. Not the people or the actions. I've seen enough blokes who have needs treatment, and sometimes it comes out when another area of their life falls apart. Marriage failing etc.. Constitutionally we can't stop them coming back, and if we changes the law to allow it (which we are unlikely to do), our borders are too easy to breach.
I have no real wish to see them come back here. However if it is going to happen I'd rather have a system where we can mitigate the damage.
Unlike you guys in the US we have to follow eu law, and we don't have the amount of cash you can throw at the intelligence services. Nor do we have the political will for an internment camp. What's more important, is that in your country it would be possible to lock these people up forever, here even if convicted (and it's unlikely to happen), they would be out within a few years.
On a real news note, Pershmega convoys are enroute to assist Kurdish forces defending Kobani. This is a big deal. A PHer mentioned that ISIS's wanting to take Kobani seems almost an obsession. What it really is is a requirement to maintain the facade that they are somehow unstoppable, almost magical. Up until now, nothing has stopped them, they are the rockstars of the jihadi world and everyone wants to go with a winner. Defeat at Kobani would tarnish that image and slow recruitment form the "I think I might be a jihadist" down to only the "self-admitted crazy" pool of idiots.
photosnob said:
Jimbeaux said:
Firstly, they should not be allowed back, full stop. Secondly, did you just equate a returning Brit ISIS fighter with a Brit ex services member? If I misunderstood, I am sorry.
I am comparing the psychological affects. Not the people or the actions. I've seen enough blokes who have needs treatment, and sometimes it comes out when another area of their life falls apart. Marriage failing etc.. Constitutionally we can't stop them coming back, and if we changes the law to allow it (which we are unlikely to do), our borders are too easy to breach.
I have no real wish to see them come back here. However if it is going to happen I'd rather have a system where we can mitigate the damage.
Unlike you guys in the US we have to follow eu law, and we don't have the amount of cash you can throw at the intelligence services. Nor do we have the political will for an internment camp. What's more important, is that in your country it would be possible to lock these people up forever, here even if convicted (and it's unlikely to happen), they would be out within a few years.
Jimbeaux said:
We had attacks by Muslim extremists on our interests long before GWII, even before GWI.
Here's a clue:
http://news.sky.com/story/1362582/netanyahu-dismis...
Jimbeaux said:
I am going to say this in hope that there is a chance for us to be on the same sheet of music to some extent; I was referring to U.S. citizens who have left here to fight for ISIS, not Kurds. If you misunderstood me, or if I was not clear, I apologize.
I think you misunderstood me. So, you'd allow the right of return to US citizens fighting with the Kurds? What about US citizens fighting with the FSA?
The segue is obviously to UK citizens who thought they were joining an FSA alike...........
In no case have I ever talked of rescue. Too difficult, too dangerous. If folk were to be found in a Kurdish prison or to blunder into SAS in a relatively safe position, or simply surrender, maybe something could be arranged.
Jimbeaux said:
gpo746 said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Jimbeaux said:
So what ? Send them to hell with the rest of them. Did you think I only meant that for the Brits who fight for ISIS???
I'm gobsmacked. Why? If you have "sort of" US Govt support for the Kurds, SAS calling in the strikes (for the Kurds) against ISIS in Kobane (according to the Daily Mail, but I'd guess someone's got to be trained to do it) why would you want to off private US citizens fighting alongside US allies?
Seems a bit mental to me. "Our ally's ally is our enemy?" Is this some Republican thing?
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Tuesday 28th October 14:57
k my sister. Jimbeaux said:
On a real news note, Pershmega convoys are enroute to assist Kurdish forces defending Kobani. This is a big deal. A PHer mentioned that ISIS's wanting to take Kobani seems almost an obsession. What it really is is a requirement to maintain the facade that they are somehow unstoppable, almost magical. Up until now, nothing has stopped them, they are the rockstars of the jihadi world and everyone wants to go with a winner. Defeat at Kobani would tarnish that image and slow recruitment form the "I think I might be a jihadist" down to only the "self-admitted crazy" pool of idiots.
Let's hope so. Some ISIS losses to the north of Mosul to Kurds, to the south by FSA. If Mosul can be re-taken along with Kobani ISIS will have both supply train and image issues. 
Imagine naming your organisation after a toothless financial regulator.
FSA website said:
The FSA has now become two separate regulatory authorities and this site is no longer updated.
The Financial Conduct Authority can be found at www.fca.org.uk and the Prudential Regulation Authority at www.bankofengland.co.uk.
The Financial Conduct Authority can be found at www.fca.org.uk and the Prudential Regulation Authority at www.bankofengland.co.uk.
KareemK said:
Jimbeaux said:
We had attacks by Muslim extremists on our interests long before GWII, even before GWI.
Here's a clue:
http://news.sky.com/story/1362582/netanyahu-dismis...
ts about the Palestinian question? On second thought, this is O/T and perhaps you shouldn't answer.TheRealFingers99 said:
Jimbeaux said:
I am going to say this in hope that there is a chance for us to be on the same sheet of music to some extent; I was referring to U.S. citizens who have left here to fight for ISIS, not Kurds. If you misunderstood me, or if I was not clear, I apologize.
I think you misunderstood me. So, you'd allow the right of return to US citizens fighting with the Kurds? What about US citizens fighting with the FSA?
The segue is obviously to UK citizens who thought they were joining an FSA alike...........
In no case have I ever talked of rescue. Too difficult, too dangerous. If folk were to be found in a Kurdish prison or to blunder into SAS in a relatively safe position, or simply surrender, maybe something could be arranged.
irocfan said:
Jimbeaux said:
gpo746 said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Jimbeaux said:
So what ? Send them to hell with the rest of them. Did you think I only meant that for the Brits who fight for ISIS???
I'm gobsmacked. Why? If you have "sort of" US Govt support for the Kurds, SAS calling in the strikes (for the Kurds) against ISIS in Kobane (according to the Daily Mail, but I'd guess someone's got to be trained to do it) why would you want to off private US citizens fighting alongside US allies?
Seems a bit mental to me. "Our ally's ally is our enemy?" Is this some Republican thing?
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Tuesday 28th October 14:57
k my sister. 
I was just in the mood to use that oft-quoted line from Full Metal Jacket. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff