US journalist beheaded by ISIS...

[2013BRM]

sjn2004 said:

2013BRM said:

Eclassy said:

Sad thing is the West helped create this monster called Daesh. If Assad had been allowed to deal with these rats decisively instead of us funding and arming the so called moderates who then turned into Nusra and eventually morphed into Daesh , we probably wouldnt be in this situation today.

The same damn situation in Libya. Daesh and militias in full control.

have to agree, our meddling has come back to bite us hard

..and just think, Camermoron wanted to send arms to these idiots.

I am utterly gobsmacked that this has been forgotten

[DrDoofenshmirtz]

Mermaid said:

Eclassy said:

Sad thing is the West helped create this monster called Daesh. If Assad had been allowed to deal with these rats decisively instead of us funding and arming the so called moderates who then turned into Nusra and eventually morphed into Daesh , we probably wouldnt be in this situation today.

The same damn situation in Libya. Daesh and militias in full control.

Assad was right, from the get-go. We should have been bombing the Saudis.

Gaddafi/Saddam/Mubarak - the right (not perfect by western standards)) leaders for their countries.

You are completely right about the Dictators. We should have kept well out of it with our misguided ideology.
George Bush was the biggest nutter of them all, and started this mess. Blair simply went along with it to keep in with the Yanks.
WE are the loonies.

[Contigo]

[g4ry13]

sjn2004 said:

HoHoHo said:

don4l said:

folos said:

If anyone is in any doubt that ISIS and anyone who supports them should be absolutely obliterated off the face of this earth then they should watch it.

I guarantee they will change their mind.

I don't think that any non-muslims have any doubt.

I haven't watched it, or any other "execution videos".

I don't understand how anyone could watch these videos.

Why do some people double take at severly disabled or disfigured individuals?

Why do people rubber neck at accidents on the other carriageway?

Both simply as examples!

I suspect it's almost a 'must do' out of curiosity and it's nothing bad, just human nature which some can stop, others can't.

I've never watched an ISIS video as you are falling into their hands by doing so. They want us to watch this nonsense, by refusing to watch it you are defeating their propaganda.

It's really the news channels who are to blame. They're the ones giving ISIS the air time which they crave.

Watching a video online really has little impact.

[wildcat45]

Months ago I said that we could have this situation licked in days. Nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. Decide where and when the sun rises on these pigs and choose exactly how they get to meet their alleged virgins.

Yes it makes us as bad as them.

An honourable Marquis of Queensbury victory is not going to happen.

This is not a war against some s like the Nazis. You know, your regular evil genocidal sts. These mothers are far far worse. What's it going to take to make us act? A nice line in lamp shades or soap?

Burning a pilot - one of their own for God's sake.

Scum.

They need to be turned off rapidly with no debate, no discussion.

[2013BRM]

g4ry13 said:

sjn2004 said:

HoHoHo said:

don4l said:

folos said:

If anyone is in any doubt that ISIS and anyone who supports them should be absolutely obliterated off the face of this earth then they should watch it.

I guarantee they will change their mind.

I don't think that any non-muslims have any doubt.

I haven't watched it, or any other "execution videos".

I don't understand how anyone could watch these videos.

Why do some people double take at severly disabled or disfigured individuals?

Why do people rubber neck at accidents on the other carriageway?

Both simply as examples!

I suspect it's almost a 'must do' out of curiosity and it's nothing bad, just human nature which some can stop, others can't.

I've never watched an ISIS video as you are falling into their hands by doing so. They want us to watch this nonsense, by refusing to watch it you are defeating their propaganda.

It's really the news channels who are to blame. They're the ones giving ISIS the air time which they crave.

Watching a video online really has little impact.

you do know that they record the hits?

[2013BRM]

Contigo said:

bang on, we need to fight our leaders first

[g4ry13]

2013BRM said:

g4ry13 said:

sjn2004 said:

HoHoHo said:

don4l said:

folos said:

If anyone is in any doubt that ISIS and anyone who supports them should be absolutely obliterated off the face of this earth then they should watch it.

I guarantee they will change their mind.

I don't think that any non-muslims have any doubt.

I haven't watched it, or any other "execution videos".

I don't understand how anyone could watch these videos.

Why do some people double take at severly disabled or disfigured individuals?

Why do people rubber neck at accidents on the other carriageway?

Both simply as examples!

I suspect it's almost a 'must do' out of curiosity and it's nothing bad, just human nature which some can stop, others can't.

I've never watched an ISIS video as you are falling into their hands by doing so. They want us to watch this nonsense, by refusing to watch it you are defeating their propaganda.

It's really the news channels who are to blame. They're the ones giving ISIS the air time which they crave.

Watching a video online really has little impact.

you do know that they record the hits?

Yes, and our media does their propaganda work for them.

[knitware]

I feel unbelievable sadness, I imagined myself being in that position, my family or friend. Those people who did this are soulless, they are criminals, cowards, anti human.

This needs to end, the whole area needs to weed out this regime, I think ISIS has secured their own destruction, I hope so, I am sickened.

I'm just rambling words but only in the hope I get to understand what's going on. I feel so desperately sad for his family, utterly saddened.

Forget religion, faith, cast, creed and all that, this is against the very core of what being human is, what they did to that man is violence, just for the sake of it, they thought of an idea and performed the act.

Evil, ugly, cowards, satanic, backward add more, arh fk you ISIS

[AreOut]

Contigo said:

in a nutshell...

[Mr_B]

That pilot was always going to end up dead, his job guaranteed that. ISIS rather obviously wanted to do the same to an American pilot and get the video out. It was about there only chance at stopping air attacks.

[0a]

The less outrage we feel, the less they win.

They are doing what they are doing to provoke the maximum amount of coverage and disgust possible.

Unfortunately the Daily Mail carries a typically "we are outraged" story tomorrow morning.

Tomorrow I'm taking my team to an offsite (lots of nationalities), we'll have a late start, a long lunch, a great chap from our American colleagues will arrive at 4 and we'll go to the pub - well(ish) off, diverse, and happy.

We forget sometimes: we've won.

[photosnob]

0a said:

The less outrage we feel, the less they win.

They are doing what they are doing to provoke the maximum amount of coverage and disgust possible.

Unfortunately the Daily Mail carries a typically "we are outraged" story tomorrow morning.

Tomorrow I'm taking my team to an offsite (lots of nationalities), we'll have a late start, a long lunch, a great chap from our American colleagues will arrive at 4 and we'll go to the pub - well(ish) off, diverse, and happy.

We forget sometimes: we've won.

Would you feel the same about people who were moved and touched by other attrocities? I recently watched a TV programme about the hollocaust and some unseen footage. The horror shocked and upset me,

It's exactly because we can feel revulsion that we have one. Apathy is just a cowardly way of ignoring terrible things, the man was burnt alive. I'd hope if that ever happened to me people would be shocked and disgusted. I'd even hope that some people would be willing to make a stand to stop it happening again.

The time has come for us to consider how we wish to engage with these animals. We are still letting them back into the uk. We are still not engaging targets in Syria. We are doing nothing to help the majority who are living under fear and tyrany. When I was a soldier we were told that our training and skills were so that we could go and fight for those who were unable to fight for themselves. Who's fighting for the gays being thrown out of buildings, the women being forced into marriage, or the countless people who are scared to when they go to sleep and when they wake up?

You have won nothing, you are just choosing to not engage in the fight. There is a difference.

[GT03ROB]

Well Jordan has responded as they promised.

[Cyder]

This could get interesting now I fancy.

[Asterix]

photosnob said:

0a said:

The less outrage we feel, the less they win.

They are doing what they are doing to provoke the maximum amount of coverage and disgust possible.

Unfortunately the Daily Mail carries a typically "we are outraged" story tomorrow morning.

Tomorrow I'm taking my team to an offsite (lots of nationalities), we'll have a late start, a long lunch, a great chap from our American colleagues will arrive at 4 and we'll go to the pub - well(ish) off, diverse, and happy.

We forget sometimes: we've won.

Would you feel the same about people who were moved and touched by other attrocities? I recently watched a TV programme about the hollocaust and some unseen footage. The horror shocked and upset me,

It's exactly because we can feel revulsion that we have one. Apathy is just a cowardly way of ignoring terrible things, the man was burnt alive. I'd hope if that ever happened to me people would be shocked and disgusted. I'd even hope that some people would be willing to make a stand to stop it happening again.

The time has come for us to consider how we wish to engage with these animals. We are still letting them back into the uk. We are still not engaging targets in Syria. We are doing nothing to help the majority who are living under fear and tyrany. When I was a soldier we were told that our training and skills were so that we could go and fight for those who were unable to fight for themselves. Who's fighting for the gays being thrown out of buildings, the women being forced into marriage, or the countless people who are scared to when they go to sleep and when they wake up?

You have won nothing, you are just choosing to not engage in the fight. There is a difference.

You were shocked and upset - I'll assume because you saw elements of the horrors that you hadn't before. You gained further understanding of how inhumane and barbaric things can be.

I'm ex-military and saw some stuff. Most people receive a very sanitised version of events. Apparently it's to not upset them or give them nightmares. Perhaps if they saw the reality, then perhaps we'd get past, 'I'm outraged! Ohhh look, Kim Kardashian has some new shoes...' and understand exactly what is happening in the World we all live in.

[2013BRM]

0a said:

The less outrage we feel, the less they win.

They are doing what they are doing to provoke the maximum amount of coverage and disgust possible.

Unfortunately the Daily Mail carries a typically "we are outraged" story tomorrow morning.

Tomorrow I'm taking my team to an offsite (lots of nationalities), we'll have a late start, a long lunch, a great chap from our American colleagues will arrive at 4 and we'll go to the pub - well(ish) off, diverse, and happy.

We forget sometimes: we've won.

You won?

I think you'll find that the freedom you now find under threat was won for you by people who fought for it

[Axionknight]

GT03ROB said:

Well Jordan has responded as they promised.

Good.

[anonymous-user]

I'm not so sure Jordan can hold the moral high-ground when executing people in retaliation.

[HoHoHo]

Axionknight said:

GT03ROB said:

Well Jordan has responded as they promised.

Good.

Now the coalition needs to respond from the air.

I think there needs to be 'shock and awe' which will unfortunately involve innocent civilians but I see no other way to try and manage this ongoing crisis. ISIS must be brought to its knees and shown they can't simply carry on in this fashion.

I know it's an eye for an eye and not ideal but we are bigger and stronger and we're not even having an opportunity to negociate or discuss. We need every country in the world to respond with either troops, aid, funds or whatever, to unite and show a massive sign of strength.

There is no other option.

Or if there is, please let me know!