US journalist beheaded by ISIS...

[BlackLabel]

A British Muslim who should be listened to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITLI9-279u0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On4l58JOVA0

He is a Lib Dem though but I suppose that can be forgiven.

The government appear to be clueless in dealing with homegrown extremism.

[WinstonWolf]

pork911 said:

WinstonWolf said:

pork911 said:

WinstonWolf said:

pork911 said:

WinstonWolf said:

pork911 said:

fesuvious said:

I haven't actually been a critic of either moderate muslims or Islam.

I have stated clearly what I believe the ultimate intention of the faith is. Not once have I criticised it. I have laid out pieces that I believe pertain to Islamic desires, and the desire of the faith itself.

Not once have I criticised it though. Although I can understand why you have interpreted what I have written as a criticism.

I have also set out what I believe has not been said, and indeed what conclusion I would draw from it.

I have not criticised it though.

What's the problem then?

Adults still believing in Father Christmas. Other than the colour of the beard I haven't been able to discern any differences.

Only applies to believers, check.
Story passed down through the generations, check.
Bad things happen if you don't believe, check.
No physical proof whatsoever, check.

And the problem is?

Have you seen all the bother the believers in different Father Christmas cause?

That is the problem...

people acting in problematic ways on the basis of their stupid beliefs is problematic - doesn't matter the flavour of those beliefs

I agree completely. Adults killing each other just because you believe in the wrong Father Christmas? In 2014? Really?

people will always find reasons to kill

Oh well that's alright then. As long as all this death malarkey is justified long may it continue.

[Mojocvh]

-Z- said:

Not sure if this has been mentioned but:

Why are news stations on TV/Radio not playing the mans voice? Surely widespread exposure may result in somebody recognising the voice?

If anyone does recognise the voice and the suspect is 'currently abroad' then that would surely be a good lead?

Does the fact that "they" are churning** this voice recognition thing for all it's worth not light up ANY light bulbs with you??

• Edited to give fair recognition to GUAM for using this descriptive phrase earlier in the thread

Edited by Mojocvh on Friday 22 August 13:46

[s1962a]

BlackLabel said:

A British Muslim who should be listened to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITLI9-279u0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On4l58JOVA0

He is a Lib Dem though but I suppose that can be forgiven.

The government appear to be clueless in dealing with homegrown extremism.

Yep. The solution is to tackle ISIS together with muslims who follow mainstream Islam.

[s1962a]

dudleybloke said:

If God/Allah is responsible for everything that happens then why do Muslims blame the west/USA for things?

Surely everything that happens is Allah's will unless the west/USA have more power than Allah?

Do you see a distinction between the Ideology that ISIS follow and mainstream Islam?

[BMRuss]

Mermaid said:

They should not be saying Allahu Akbar, but something else

I thought they all shouted Alans snackbar?

Scum of the highest order, nuke them all!!!!!!

[Mermaid]

s1962a said:

Yep. The solution is to tackle ISIS together with muslims who follow mainstream Islam.

"I have a vision" honcho required within the community.

[dudleybloke]

s1962a said:

dudleybloke said:

If God/Allah is responsible for everything that happens then why do Muslims blame the west/USA for things?

Surely everything that happens is Allah's will unless the west/USA have more power than Allah?

Do you see a distinction between the Ideology that ISIS follow and mainstream Islam?

No.
Its my view on every religion.
if God is so real and is responsible for everything then why do the religious only seem to think he's doing the good stuff.
Surely when bad things happen its God being a nasty bd but that never seems to get mentioned.

And why don't Palestinians look at the death toll in the recent spat and do some maths that Jehovah is nearly 30 times better at helping his people than Allah?

Or the true answer is that its all a load of crap that you can believe in if you want but don't ever try and impose any of it on anyone else.

[KTF]

dudleybloke said:

don't ever try and impose any of it on anyone else.

What was that quote someone said... Religion is like your genitals. You dont get them out in public and you dont force them down someone elses throat.

Something like that anyway...

[s1962a]

dudleybloke said:

s1962a said:

dudleybloke said:

If God/Allah is responsible for everything that happens then why do Muslims blame the west/USA for things?

Surely everything that happens is Allah's will unless the west/USA have more power than Allah?

Do you see a distinction between the Ideology that ISIS follow and mainstream Islam?

No.
Its my view on every religion.
if God is so real and is responsible for everything then why do the religious only seem to think he's doing the good stuff.
Surely when bad things happen its God being a nasty bd but that never seems to get mentioned.

And why don't Palestinians look at the death toll in the recent spat and do some maths that Jehovah is nearly 30 times better at helping his people than Allah?

Or the true answer is that its all a load of crap that you can believe in if you want but don't ever try and impose any of it on anyone else.

What an extreme view.

So ISIS and all muslims are the same in your eyes?
I presume the IDF and all Jews are the same in your eyes too? Jeez

Anyone else on PH share this? Come on, don't be shy.

[Lost soul]

dudleybloke said:

And why don't Palestinians look at the death toll in the recent spat and do some maths that Jehovah is nearly 30 times better at helping his people than Allah?

[WinstonWolf]

s1962a said:

dudleybloke said:

s1962a said:

dudleybloke said:

If God/Allah is responsible for everything that happens then why do Muslims blame the west/USA for things?

Surely everything that happens is Allah's will unless the west/USA have more power than Allah?

Do you see a distinction between the Ideology that ISIS follow and mainstream Islam?

No.
Its my view on every religion.
if God is so real and is responsible for everything then why do the religious only seem to think he's doing the good stuff.
Surely when bad things happen its God being a nasty bd but that never seems to get mentioned.

And why don't Palestinians look at the death toll in the recent spat and do some maths that Jehovah is nearly 30 times better at helping his people than Allah?

Or the true answer is that its all a load of crap that you can believe in if you want but don't ever try and impose any of it on anyone else.

What an extreme view.

Anyone else on PH share this? Come on, don't be shy.

it's a very sensible view. If God exists he'd be able to sort it all out as he's omnipotent, isn't he?

He certainly doesn't need people doing his dirty work for him...

[unrepentant]

s1962a said:

What an extreme view.

So ISIS and all muslims are the same in your eyes?
I presume the IDF and all Jews are the same in your eyes too? Jeez

Anyone else on PH share this? Come on, don't be shy.

I'm with John Lennon on this.

[s1962a]

WinstonWolf said:

it's a very sensible view. If God exists he'd be able to sort it all out as he's omnipotent, isn't he?

He certainly doesn't need people doing his dirty work for him...

I should have quoted selectively to be more clear. This is the bit I meant

s1962a said:

Do you see a distinction between the Ideology that ISIS follow and mainstream Islam?

dudleybloke said:

No.

[BMRuss]

s1962a said:

Do you see a distinction between the Ideology that ISIS follow and mainstream Islam?

I don't suppose a lot of people in the UK could give a crap?

[WinstonWolf]

s1962a said:

WinstonWolf said:

it's a very sensible view. If God exists he'd be able to sort it all out as he's omnipotent, isn't he?

He certainly doesn't need people doing his dirty work for him...

I should have quoted selectively to be more clear. This is the bit I meant

s1962a said:

Do you see a distinction between the Ideology that ISIS follow and mainstream Islam?

dudleybloke said:

No.

Ah, help me out here. God and Father Christmas. Other than the colour of the beard what's the difference?

[s1962a]

BMRuss said:

s1962a said:

Do you see a distinction between the Ideology that ISIS follow and mainstream Islam?

I don't suppose a lot of people in the UK could give a crap?

Muslamic Rayguns?

[dudleybloke]

s1962a said:

What an extreme view.

So ISIS and all muslims are the same in your eyes?
I presume the IDF and all Jews are the same in your eyes too? Jeez

Anyone else on PH share this? Come on, don't be shy.

Read my post properly.

I have disdain for ALL religions.

My comment isn't about the right or wrongs of the Israel/Palestine fighting but its about people willing to base their lives on a lie.

Another example that its all bks is the bulletproof Pope-mobile.

What about my comments that all the bad things that happen are gods fault?

[Lost soul]

unrepentant said:

I'm with John Lennon on this.

[s1962a]

WinstonWolf said:

s1962a said:

WinstonWolf said:

it's a very sensible view. If God exists he'd be able to sort it all out as he's omnipotent, isn't he?

He certainly doesn't need people doing his dirty work for him...

I should have quoted selectively to be more clear. This is the bit I meant

s1962a said:

Do you see a distinction between the Ideology that ISIS follow and mainstream Islam?

dudleybloke said:

No.

Ah, help me out here. God and Father Christmas. Other than the colour of the beard what's the difference?

Thats an interesting question.

Surely if some people believed in father christmas they wouldn't feel the need to send missiles raining down on innocent children? Or maybe they would - after all - it's the chosen land?