US journalist beheaded by ISIS...

[scorp]

Badvok said:

scorp said:

Could he have picked a smaller knife ?

Comments like this are not needed

The guy is in an orange jumpsuit (like guantanamo bay prisoners), so I was assuming this is a carefully planned scene for the purposes of propaganda, that would include the decision to use small knife.

[Mr_B]

el stovey said:

I expect it's a combination of factors, many of which are unfortunately the UK government's fault.

It's a combination of a lack of opportunity for young people a widening rich/poor gap, a lack of morality from government and the police, UK foreign policy in the middle east, young people not feeling British, lack of community, lack of father figures, parents/family members/teachers not providing enough direction and support etc etc etc etc

Much like the UK 2011 riots really, British people joining ISIS, jihad or London gangs or looting and rioting etc are all the result of disenfranchised young people who are suddenly presented with an opportunity to channel their frustration and have a sense of belonging.

A lot of these people aren't street idiots, they are smart people. Those recruiting them are educated people. It took their religion, or the one bit you left out on the excuse list,to convince them they needed to act. They do tend to tell us this quite often,usually before a big explosion or as some guys heads rolls around on the floor.

Want to do something positive today about stopping this in the future ? Ditch the faith schools for the long term plan and for short term, leave the Middle East to go slaughter each other without wasting armed forces lives thinking you are going to make a change.

[TLandCruiser]

Eclassy said:

Why does one muslim have to apologise for the crime/atrocity of another so called muslim?

Do you expect the Archbishop of Canterbury to apologise for every Loyalist crime/atrocity

Because the whole world is very vocal when condemning Israel, yet when it comes to ISIS no one seems to be saying much.

[scorp]

TLandCruiser said:

Because the whole world is very vocal when condemning Israel, yet when it comes to ISIS no one seems to be saying much.

Indonesia declared ISIS a terrorist organisation and banned supporting them a couple of days ago..

[voyds9]

TLandCruiser said:

Eclassy said:

Why does one muslim have to apologise for the crime/atrocity of another so called muslim?

Do you expect the Archbishop of Canterbury to apologise for every Loyalist crime/atrocity

Because the whole world is very vocal when condemning Israel, yet when it comes to ISIS no one seems to be saying much.

And the Pope apologised for the church paedophiles.

Tony Blair 'expressed sorry' for slavery

David Cameron apologises for the cover up at Hillsborough

[rich1231]

Eclassy said:

Why does one muslim have to apologise for the crime/atrocity of another so called muslim?

Do you expect the Archbishop of Canterbury to apologise for every Loyalist crime/atrocity

Because the Religion is being used as a reason to motivate thousands of youngsters to commit murder. The reluctance to tackle extremists in mosques around the UK has lead to more unchallenged radicalisation of youths.

[zygalski]

Well my condolences to Mr Foley's family & friends. This is truly horrific.

Are these the Muslim extremist animals that the West are sending arms & aid to, or is that an entirely different group of Muslim extremist nutters?
Can't say I'm at all surprised that much of the world despises Western hypocrisy.
Small mercy, but thank heavens they can't carpet bomb us whilst we sleep, from the other side of the globe.

Edited by zygalski on Wednesday 20th August 11:10

[technogogo]

el stovey said:

...dictators keeping order.

That is a comfortable notion. The reality with Sadam, let us not forget, was a savage, criminal family who killed huge numbers of innocent people with impunity. Including the use of chemical weapons. Yes actual WMD. The ones they had and the ones they used!

I do think dictatorship can be slightly better than medieval theocracy. But we shouldn't get dreamy eyed for the former because of the latter

[paranoid airbag]

Eclassy said:

Why does one muslim have to apologise for the crime/atrocity of another so called muslim?

Do you expect the Archbishop of Canterbury to apologise for every Loyalist crime/atrocity

To the latter question: yes. Thus explaining the former: no, not every muslim should be making a televised apology.

But the leaders should (okay, there's no need to be televised). Not necessarily for every atrocity but certainly for notable ones.

That's sort of what "leading" means, actually. You know, taking responsibility for what your followers do.

[HoHoHo]

Eclassy said:

HoHoHo said:

I can't say I've seen in the press any high profile Muslim leaders suggesting this is a barbaric act, or for that matter make any comments at all.

I wonder why.......

Why does one muslim have to apologise for the crime/atrocity of another so called muslim?

Do you expect the Archbishop of Canterbury to apologise for every Loyalist crime/atrocity

I'm curious to know if your average Muslim cleric thinks this is acceptable or outside normal behavior and does the Koran agree with this act.

I certainly don't think it's acceptable but I can't comment re the Koran.

[Gargamel]

In the 30's when many a British dreamer joined the international brigades to fight in the Spanish Civil War this was generally seen as a bit misguided but basically OK. Helping one's fellow man in a cause for Freedom was consider a decent thing to do.

The young are always idealistic, and in my opinion should remain so. I see nothing in Iraq that makes me think it is a country anymore, it is a set of artificial borders around a group of warring tribes.

If there must be a war, then so be it. Europe is no stranger to war, and through dark times can come greater stability and prosperity for every one.

I note however that this particular act was despicable,

Isis could so easily agree to abide by the Geneva Convention on warfare and gain much political capital by doing so in my view. By stopping this individual acts of gross barbarity and behaving like an army fighting for a cause they might persuade even more YBM to join.

Edited by Gargamel on Wednesday 20th August 12:03

[Four Litre]

paranoid airbag said:

Eclassy said:

Why does one muslim have to apologise for the crime/atrocity of another so called muslim?

Do you expect the Archbishop of Canterbury to apologise for every Loyalist crime/atrocity

To the latter question: yes. Thus explaining the former: no, not every muslim should be making a televised apology.

But the leaders should (okay, there's no need to be televised). Not necessarily for every atrocity but certainly for notable ones.

That's sort of what "leading" means, actually. You know, taking responsibility for what your followers do.

Its becoming more apparent that with Islam on a deeper level, your either with it or against it. When push comes to shove your the Kaffur/ Infidel 'insert derogitory term'. Its amazing how many people are too scared to say anything about it for fear of being called racist. Most only reaslise that Islam isnt a race but a religeon when told.

Its one of the biggest problems we face in the western world and sadly will need a leader of real courage and stature to deal with it (something we dont have). Sadly I think the only way to sort it out is to break a few eggs on UK soil and it wont be pretty.

[Digga]

Four Litre said:

Its becoming more apparent that with Islam on a deeper level, your either with it or against it. When push comes to shove your the Kaffur/ Infidel 'insert derogitory term'...

I have to say, it is this totalitarian element which is most disturbing. I don't believe this is a defining characteristic of all muslims, but as you say, the subtext is there nonetheless and it is something which sets it apart from most other (more tolerant) religions.

[Stevanos]

Primitive savages.



R.I.P

[Mermaid]

Four Litre said:

..Its one of the biggest problems we face in the western world and sadly will need a leader of real courage and stature to deal with it (something we dont have). Sadly I think the only way to sort it out is to break a few eggs on UK soil and it wont be pretty.

If we did not have an election for the next 10 years, I expect CMD would show some backbone.

Islam is not up for election - the religion needs a leader (backed by all Muslim countries) who is willing to ruffle a few feathers in his flock and set out a vision for the future, for we are on a slippery slope.

[evenflow]

Wander what Dubya would have done about all this?

[Nom de ploom]

i think the less discussion and publicity offered around this the better.

its barbaric and a tragedy however, it is probably doing more to serve the IS message than any other by talking about it.

just my opinion.

[scherzkeks]

technogogo said:

That is a comfortable notion. The reality with Sadam, let us not forget, was a savage, criminal family Including the use of chemical weapons. Yes actual WMD. The ones they had and the ones they used!

Actual WMDs? No! You don't say!

Now read up on where they came from.

[otolith]

technogogo said:

I do think dictatorship can be slightly better than medieval theocracy. But we shouldn't get dreamy eyed for the former because of the latter

Quite so.

If there is one lesson from the attempts of the West to meddle in Middle Eastern politics, it is that you can't hand Western secular democracy to people on a plate and expect them to take it. It's an outcome of social progress, not just a driver of it.

[otolith]

scherzkeks said:

Now read up on where they came from.

Doesn't actually make a great deal of difference how they were procured when they are being used on you.