US journalist beheaded by ISIS...
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Countdown said:
groucho said:
Countdown said:
I think the point isn't voting in a caliphate or sharia law or whatever. The point is either you have a democracy or you don't. So if the democracy says its ok to shoot grouse on 12th August it's fine. Just because you or I might not approve means nothing. Similarly if the population decides to elect a dictatorship it has the right to do so.
That's how democracies work. If you don't like it, leave.
...and then ends the democracy. That is his point.That's how democracies work. If you don't like it, leave.
Countdown said:
I think the point isn't voting in a caliphate or sharia law or whatever. The point is either you have a democracy or you don't. So if the democracy says its ok to shoot grouse on 12th August it's fine. Just because you or I might not approve means nothing. Similarly if the population decides to elect a dictatorship it has the right to do so.
That's how democracies work. If you don't like it, leave.
The sad part of this being that there is only one group of people that would be stupid enough to vote for such a thing.That's how democracies work. If you don't like it, leave.
If you had any worries that we are being led by clueless, weak, and dangerously stupid politicians here is Yvette Cooper to put your mind at rest:
"Those returning from fighting in the Middle East should be forced to take part in compulsory de-radicalisation programmes even if they cannot be charged with a criminal offence".
I have no words.
"Those returning from fighting in the Middle East should be forced to take part in compulsory de-radicalisation programmes even if they cannot be charged with a criminal offence".
I have no words.
Axionknight said:
The Reichstag voted away its own power in the early 1930's and we all know what happened after that - so why don't you tell us whether you think its a bad thing or not.
The decision and the consequences of the decision are separate. Democracy by definition can't only stand for those decisions that you (any one person) agrees with it. The hard bit is putting up with the decisions you don't like. However, the smart action would be to ensure that action is democratically taken so that we never get to the point where cataclysmic decisions are voted through.Jimbeaux said:
Intel further indicates that ISIS is working with the Latin drug cartels to breech our southern border (this has long been suspected).
Real 'intel' or Colin Powell/Iraq type intel?Al-Qaeda and even Hezbollah have been linked by various Americans to Mexican drug cartels in the past with nothing materialising from these allegations.
Unfortunately given what's happened in the past folks are very cynical when CIA types allege such things. I'll be the first to hold my hands up if I'm wrong but I'd like to see some actual evidence before believing such things.
WinstonWolf said:
Countdown said:
groucho said:
Countdown said:
I think the point isn't voting in a caliphate or sharia law or whatever. The point is either you have a democracy or you don't. So if the democracy says its ok to shoot grouse on 12th August it's fine. Just because you or I might not approve means nothing. Similarly if the population decides to elect a dictatorship it has the right to do so.
That's how democracies work. If you don't like it, leave.
...and then ends the democracy. That is his point.That's how democracies work. If you don't like it, leave.
Jimbeaux said:
Now, to actually get back to the thread topic:
Cabinet officials (Pentagon, etc) are publicly pushing back against the White House. That is a tell tale sign of a dysfunctional administration. The Pentagon is saying that the current air strikes are a tactic, what they need is an overall strategy. Obama seems to be giving in to some of this pressure and may allow an expansion of action but he still needs to lay out a strategy for the military to plan around.
What is likely to happen is that air strikes into Syria will begin to hit key support sites of ISIS. Intel indicate that they have mastered maneuver warfare but are unconventional in that they do not have command nodes. They use runners, etc. this makes it harder to disable them. This possible expansion will require perhaps another carrier strike group.
Intel further indicates that ISIS is working with the Latin drug cartels to breech our southern border (this has long been suspected). It is now believed that a thousand or more of these freaks hold western passports. If the report of the number of Muslims from the UK alone fighting for ISIS are accurate, how many family members does each of them have back in the UK who may be sympathetic? This is about to get bigger quickly IMO.
I have seen this intel as well.Cabinet officials (Pentagon, etc) are publicly pushing back against the White House. That is a tell tale sign of a dysfunctional administration. The Pentagon is saying that the current air strikes are a tactic, what they need is an overall strategy. Obama seems to be giving in to some of this pressure and may allow an expansion of action but he still needs to lay out a strategy for the military to plan around.
What is likely to happen is that air strikes into Syria will begin to hit key support sites of ISIS. Intel indicate that they have mastered maneuver warfare but are unconventional in that they do not have command nodes. They use runners, etc. this makes it harder to disable them. This possible expansion will require perhaps another carrier strike group.
Intel further indicates that ISIS is working with the Latin drug cartels to breech our southern border (this has long been suspected). It is now believed that a thousand or more of these freaks hold western passports. If the report of the number of Muslims from the UK alone fighting for ISIS are accurate, how many family members does each of them have back in the UK who may be sympathetic? This is about to get bigger quickly IMO.
The terrorists formed a partnership with the cartels; in exchange for the cartels trafficking terrorists into the US over the Mexico-US border, the terrorists will facilitate smuggling the cartels drugs into Europe. It's alright though, Jack Ryan Jnr and his two cousins are off the books hitmen who deal with these problems.
Source: T. Clancy
http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_Teeth_of...
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
That is my point. K speaks of a majority Muslim population one day voting in a caliphate, in essence, voting out Democracy, thus moving in a dark age direction.
I think the point isn't voting in a caliphate or sharia law or whatever. The point is either you have a democracy or you don't. So if the democracy says its ok to shoot grouse on 12th August it's fine. Just because you or I might not approve means nothing. Similarly if the population decides to elect a dictatorship it has the right to do so.That's how democracies work. If you don't like it, leave.
Countdown said:
groucho said:
Countdown said:
I think the point isn't voting in a caliphate or sharia law or whatever. The point is either you have a democracy or you don't. So if the democracy says its ok to shoot grouse on 12th August it's fine. Just because you or I might not approve means nothing. Similarly if the population decides to elect a dictatorship it has the right to do so.
That's how democracies work. If you don't like it, leave.
...and then ends the democracy. That is his point.That's how democracies work. If you don't like it, leave.
audidoody said:
If you had any worries that we are being led by clueless, weak, and dangerously stupid politicians here is Yvette Cooper to put your mind at rest:
"Those returning from fighting in the Middle East should be forced to take part in compulsory de-radicalisation programmes even if they cannot be charged with a criminal offence".
I have no words.
Such weakness is sickening. "Those returning from fighting in the Middle East should be forced to take part in compulsory de-radicalisation programmes even if they cannot be charged with a criminal offence".
I have no words.
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