US journalist beheaded by ISIS...
Discussion
unrepentant said:
Yeah... She went to the local comp but managed to get into Balliol (that's an Oxford college) where she got a first class degree.
She must be really stupid. And you are?
Ms Cooper undoubtedly has a tremendously high IQ. As do most of the absolutist metro liberal leftist Islington screechers.She must be really stupid. And you are?
It's her street smarts I wouldn't trust.
Jimbeaux said:
I can see that by her words alone. My worry is that some on here seem to see no problem with her reasoning.
So long as the de-radicalization involves us subcontracting this out to one of your black sites jim, from whence they will never return.Interestingly, John McCain is pictured at a meeting where al baghdadi was present..... before he adopted his latest moniker. Albeit still having a us.gov price on his head.
ISIS is one f
ked up mercenary merry-go-round, that's for sureIMO what is finally being seen in action is liberal ideas and mindsets toward geopoliticism that, until now, was largely relegated to theory and upper tier academia debate. It is being painfully revealed to the purveyors of such beliefs that the real cold practitionors of evil out there only see such magnanamous attitudes as a weakness to be exploited, nothing more. One cannot reason with the like of ISIS; one cannot negotiate with the likes of ISIS. They are like a cancer, you kill it or it will kill you. Recall the ancient Greek concept of a Polus, a safe sanctuary from within one may practice their beliefs or carry out their form of government. Following that ancient wisdom, one may have to accept limiting reasoning, negotiations, and other civilized approaches to those who share a belief in such values. The longer we wait, the stronger they grow.
Jimbeaux said:
... The longer we wait, the stronger they grow.
Waited too long for these victims, and partly because of PC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...
BBC link refers to Asian men whereas elsewhere (SKY, BBC TV) they are clear it is Pakistani Muslims.
Mermaid said:
Jimbeaux said:
... The longer we wait, the stronger they grow.
Waited too long for these victims, and partly because of PC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshi...
BBC link refers to Asian men whereas elsewhere (SKY, BBC TV) they are clear it is Pakistani Muslims.
They could not describe the perps for fear of being called racists?? There is going to have to be a large swinging of the pendulum the other way or we are all doomed.Jimbeaux said:
IMO what is finally being seen in action is liberal ideas and mindsets toward geopoliticism that, until now, was largely relegated to theory and upper tier academia debate. It is being painfully revealed to the purveyors of such beliefs that the real cold practitionors of evil out there only see such magnanamous attitudes as a weakness to be exploited, nothing more. One cannot reason with the like of ISIS; one cannot negotiate with the likes of ISIS. They are like a cancer, you kill it or it will kill you. Recall the ancient Greek concept of a Polus, a safe sanctuary from within one may practice their beliefs or carry out their form of government. Following that ancient wisdom, one may have to accept limiting reasoning, negotiations, and other civilized approaches to those who share a belief in such values. The longer we wait, the stronger they grow.
ISIS are beyond mere chancers, they have been/are being provided state backing (guess who, its not difficult). Whilst they happen to be incredibly nasty people, they are just the sharp end of someone else's strategic play.devonshiredave said:
ISIS are beyond mere chancers, they have been/are being provided state backing (guess who, its not difficult). Whilst they happen to be incredibly nasty people, they are just the sharp end of someone else's strategic play.
The guess who is easy, we funded & armed ISIS (we called them freedom fighters then) when we thought we could oust the Syrian President & put a patsy goverment in place (like Iraq) instead we've now created an even bigger problem.I'd love to know what the thinking behind this, when will we learn to let people sort out their own problems & deal with matters closer to home.
smegmore said:
Far too late to turn our backs and say 'let them get on with it, kill each other' etc, etc.
The genie's right out of the bottle now, the only way out of this for western countries is swift and totally ruthless action.
All the spouting of guff from spineless and mealy-mouthed politicians with immigrant-based constituencies means nothing here. The only solution is to eradicate these individuals and all who support them, harsh but necessary to prevent our towns and cities from turning into downtown Baghdad/Beirut etc (insert bombed-out city of choice here).
That's the whole point if WE THE USA & UK hadn't supplied ISIS with Weapons, Tech & some training the Syrian goverment would've crushed them & we wouldn't be having this problem now!!!!!!The genie's right out of the bottle now, the only way out of this for western countries is swift and totally ruthless action.
All the spouting of guff from spineless and mealy-mouthed politicians with immigrant-based constituencies means nothing here. The only solution is to eradicate these individuals and all who support them, harsh but necessary to prevent our towns and cities from turning into downtown Baghdad/Beirut etc (insert bombed-out city of choice here).
That's the reason the politicians are being so coy is because no one actually wants to admit to creating the problem, So when I say we should not get involved I mean Involved in any future conflicts.
ZX10R NIN said:
That's the whole point if WE THE USA & UK hadn't supplied ISIS with Weapons, Tech & some training the Syrian goverment would've crushed them & we wouldn't be having this problem now!!!!!!
That's the reason the politicians are being so coy is because no one actually wants to admit to creating the problem, So when I say we should not get involved I mean Involved in any future conflicts.
I don't think "we" supplied ISIS. I think it may have been our erstwhile Allies, the Saudis and Qatar.That's the reason the politicians are being so coy is because no one actually wants to admit to creating the problem, So when I say we should not get involved I mean Involved in any future conflicts.
ZX10R NIN said:
devonshiredave said:
ISIS are beyond mere chancers, they have been/are being provided state backing (guess who, its not difficult). Whilst they happen to be incredibly nasty people, they are just the sharp end of someone else's strategic play.
The guess who is easy, we funded & armed ISIS (we called them freedom fighters then) when we thought we could oust the Syrian President & put a patsy goverment in place (like Iraq) instead we've now created an even bigger problem.I'd love to know what the thinking behind this, when will we learn to let people sort out their own problems & deal with matters closer to home.
Jimbeaux said:
The who and what matters less than how are we to deal with them here and now? It is hard to put a mad cat back into a bag.
If they were to be dealt with, then the who and what is extremely important. You dont treat symptoms.Al baghdadi has been a player for some time now, initially rising to a senior position in AQ in Iraq and then strong-arming a significant level of resources/personnel from the al-Nusra front (AQ of Syria/Lebanon) to then form the current ISIL we see now. According to various public sources.
The problem with more meaningful analysis of who/what is that it enters very murky waters indeed.
As the saying goes.... You dance with the devil...
The west would do well to leave assad alone and look at those with their hands on the strings behind the stage. Something I suspect would reveal far too many inconvenient details.
Countdown said:
ZX10R NIN said:
That's the whole point if WE THE USA & UK hadn't supplied ISIS with Weapons, Tech & some training the Syrian goverment would've crushed them & we wouldn't be having this problem now!!!!!!
That's the reason the politicians are being so coy is because no one actually wants to admit to creating the problem, So when I say we should not get involved I mean Involved in any future conflicts.
I don't think "we" supplied ISIS. I think it may have been our erstwhile Allies, the Saudis and Qatar.That's the reason the politicians are being so coy is because no one actually wants to admit to creating the problem, So when I say we should not get involved I mean Involved in any future conflicts.
devonshiredave said:
Jimbeaux said:
The who and what matters less than how are we to deal with them here and now? It is hard to put a mad cat back into a bag.
If they were to be dealt with, then the who and what is extremely important. You dont treat symptoms.Al baghdadi has been a player for some time now, initially rising to a senior position in AQ in Iraq and then strong-arming a significant level of resources/personnel from the al-Nusra front (AQ of Syria/Lebanon) to then form the current ISIL we see now. According to various public sources.
The problem with more meaningful analysis of who/what is that it enters very murky waters indeed.
As the saying goes.... You dance with the devil...
The west would do well to leave assad alone and look at those with their hands on the strings behind the stage. Something I suspect would reveal far too many inconvenient details.
Jimbeaux said:
The who and what matters less than how are we to deal with them here and now? It is hard to put a mad cat back into a bag.
The who & what does matter it's all that matters because without our interference Isis wouldn't have the power base it does now, at the end of the day the only reason the mad cat is out of the bag is because we opened the bag!!!!Countdown said:
I don't think "we" supplied ISIS. I think it may have been our erstwhile Allies, the Saudis and Qatar.
Yes we did supply them weapons the same weapons they then went and beat the Iraqi army with most of the middle east has Russian weapons it's very funny that they have a lot of western weaponsZX10R NIN said:
Jimbeaux said:
The who and what matters less than how are we to deal with them here and now? It is hard to put a mad cat back into a bag.
The who & what does matter it's all that matters because without our interference Isis wouldn't have the power base it does now, at the end of the day the only reason the mad cat is out of the bag is because we opened the bag!!!!As has already been said, ISIS are the result of a proxy war fought by Saudi Arabia and Qatar against the Assad regime.
By association, the UK has its hands dirty already as these two countries are major export partners for our arms industry. This has undoubtedly fanned the flames, much as the CIA shot themselves in the foot by training the Mujahideen, who's elements later became the Taleban.
Also, what many people fail to realise is that the battle is not between Sunni and Shia Muslim's, but Wahabi Muslim's (E.g., Saudi/Qatar/Al Qaeda/The Taliban) against every other faith on the planet.
If we are really serious about stopping ISIS and the spread of militant Islam, then we need to bring huge pressure upon the Saud and Thani families. They need to reform their brutal, oppressive and fascist regimes and the promotion of this extreme and toxic form of Islam.
Of course that will never happen, due to the vast oil reserves and other vested interests that ours and other governments have.
By association, the UK has its hands dirty already as these two countries are major export partners for our arms industry. This has undoubtedly fanned the flames, much as the CIA shot themselves in the foot by training the Mujahideen, who's elements later became the Taleban.
Also, what many people fail to realise is that the battle is not between Sunni and Shia Muslim's, but Wahabi Muslim's (E.g., Saudi/Qatar/Al Qaeda/The Taliban) against every other faith on the planet.
If we are really serious about stopping ISIS and the spread of militant Islam, then we need to bring huge pressure upon the Saud and Thani families. They need to reform their brutal, oppressive and fascist regimes and the promotion of this extreme and toxic form of Islam.
Of course that will never happen, due to the vast oil reserves and other vested interests that ours and other governments have.
Jimbeaux said:
IMO what is finally being seen in action is liberal ideas and mindsets toward geopoliticism that, until now, was largely relegated to theory and upper tier academia debate. It is being painfully revealed to the purveyors of such beliefs that the real cold practitionors of evil out there only see such magnanamous attitudes as a weakness to be exploited, nothing more. One cannot reason with the like of ISIS; one cannot negotiate with the likes of ISIS. They are like a cancer, you kill it or it will kill you. Recall the ancient Greek concept of a Polus, a safe sanctuary from within one may practice their beliefs or carry out their form of government. Following that ancient wisdom, one may have to accept limiting reasoning, negotiations, and other civilized approaches to those who share a belief in such values. The longer we wait, the stronger they grow.
Agree with this 100%Surely there's no hiding from the fact that we are dealing with Evil?
Religion is just their tool for recruitment. Brainwashing the weak minded.
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