US journalist beheaded by ISIS...
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Having just watched a fantastic documentary on war correspondents, this is particularly hard hitting (over 1000 killed in the last 20 years of war compared to 2 in world war 1).
Incredibly brave to do what they do and certainly do not deserv and end like this at the hands of some scum bag f
k.
I would expect an appropriate response from the US, I doubt we will know much about it but send in the A10s with the instructions to not come back with any munitions.
RIP.
Incredibly brave to do what they do and certainly do not deserv and end like this at the hands of some scum bag f
k.I would expect an appropriate response from the US, I doubt we will know much about it but send in the A10s with the instructions to not come back with any munitions.
RIP.
Four Litre said:
Its becoming more apparent that with Islam on a deeper level, your either with it or against it. When push comes to shove your the Kaffur/ Infidel 'insert derogitory term'. Its amazing how many people are too scared to say anything about it for fear of being called racist. Most only reaslise that Islam isnt a race but a religeon when told.
Its one of the biggest problems we face in the western world and sadly will need a leader of real courage and stature to deal with it (something we dont have). Sadly I think the only way to sort it out is to break a few eggs on UK soil and it wont be pretty.
Wow! How incredibly ignorant and/or naive.Its one of the biggest problems we face in the western world and sadly will need a leader of real courage and stature to deal with it (something we dont have). Sadly I think the only way to sort it out is to break a few eggs on UK soil and it wont be pretty.
Look up yer history pal. We in the West have in almost equal measure supported & attacked various Muslim extremist groups over the years....
fesuvious said:
zcacogp said:
Guam said:
One has to wonder how we are raising this Scum in what we believe to be a civilised society, its not just a one off unfortunately either, from earlier news reports it appears that our fellow Brits are wallowing in the blood and gore and seem proud of being barbarians.
The line they get radicalised by the internet is wearing a bit thin now, something is clearly wrong in an small subset of our communities for our children to grow into this kind of specimen imho!
We need to ascertain who or what is churning out these monsters.
Quoted, because it's 100% accurate. Spot on Guam. The line they get radicalised by the internet is wearing a bit thin now, something is clearly wrong in an small subset of our communities for our children to grow into this kind of specimen imho!
We need to ascertain who or what is churning out these monsters.
Oli.
s1962a said:
Extremist Salafi ideology - sponsored by Saudi. More political than anything Islamic.
But... but.... the Saudis are our friends, even though 15 out of 19 of the 9/11 terrorists came from that country.Complex stuff this which extremist groups/regimes we support on a when & where basis!
If only life could be Guam-like in its simplicity.
zygalski said:
But... but.... the Saudis are our friends, even though 15 out of 19 of the 9/11 terrorists came from that country.
Complex stuff this which extremist groups/regimes we support on a when & where basis!
If only life could be Guam-like in its simplicity.
Osama was also from SA. I still remember living in Washington,DC, and seeing that construction company put up new buildings on a regular basis following 9/11. Was rather odd, to say the least, until one considers how closely entangled the US govt. and the family is.Complex stuff this which extremist groups/regimes we support on a when & where basis!
If only life could be Guam-like in its simplicity.
zygalski said:
Four Litre said:
Its becoming more apparent that with Islam on a deeper level, your either with it or against it. When push comes to shove your the Kaffur/ Infidel 'insert derogitory term'. Its amazing how many people are too scared to say anything about it for fear of being called racist. Most only reaslise that Islam isnt a race but a religeon when told.
Its one of the biggest problems we face in the western world and sadly will need a leader of real courage and stature to deal with it (something we dont have). Sadly I think the only way to sort it out is to break a few eggs on UK soil and it wont be pretty.
Wow! How incredibly ignorant and/or naive.Its one of the biggest problems we face in the western world and sadly will need a leader of real courage and stature to deal with it (something we dont have). Sadly I think the only way to sort it out is to break a few eggs on UK soil and it wont be pretty.
Look up yer history pal. We in the West have in almost equal measure supported & attacked various Muslim extremist groups over the years....
We're ('the West') perpetuating a cycle. In the face of provocation we react and those who provoke us use the reaction as a sales pitch to recruit yet more opponents, and on it goes. If we're going to try and make friends with these people we need to stop blowing up their high streets and start feeding their pockets and sphere of knowledge.
By educating and lifting them out of abject ignorance and poverty the grip of Islam will reduce and the lure of extremist views will lessen. As long as there remains such a gap in wealth between us and the only exposure to our differences being the quality of the rockets raining down on them, there will be an ideological conflict.
By educating and lifting them out of abject ignorance and poverty the grip of Islam will reduce and the lure of extremist views will lessen. As long as there remains such a gap in wealth between us and the only exposure to our differences being the quality of the rockets raining down on them, there will be an ideological conflict.
scherzkeks said:
technogogo said:
That is a comfortable notion. The reality with Sadam, let us not forget, was a savage, criminal family Including the use of chemical weapons. Yes actual WMD. The ones they had and the ones they used!
Actual WMDs? No! You don't say!Now read up on where they came from.
If he'd bought them from Compo Clegg and Foggy and shipped them over with crates of petals and puppies he'd still be the same savage b
d.tenpenceshort said:
We're ('the West') perpetuating a cycle. In the face of provocation we react and those who provoke us use the reaction as a sales pitch to recruit yet more opponents, and on it goes. If we're going to try and make friends with these people we need to stop blowing up their high streets and start feeding their pockets and sphere of knowledge.
By educating and lifting them out of abject ignorance and poverty the grip of Islam will reduce and the lure of extremist views will lessen. As long as there remains such a gap in wealth between us and the only exposure to our differences being the quality of the rockets raining down on them, there will be an ideological conflict.
Since a lot of it seems to involve them slaughtering each other I'm not optimistic.By educating and lifting them out of abject ignorance and poverty the grip of Islam will reduce and the lure of extremist views will lessen. As long as there remains such a gap in wealth between us and the only exposure to our differences being the quality of the rockets raining down on them, there will be an ideological conflict.
Four Litre said:
zygalski said:
Four Litre said:
Its becoming more apparent that with Islam on a deeper level, your either with it or against it. When push comes to shove your the Kaffur/ Infidel 'insert derogitory term'. Its amazing how many people are too scared to say anything about it for fear of being called racist. Most only reaslise that Islam isnt a race but a religeon when told.
Its one of the biggest problems we face in the western world and sadly will need a leader of real courage and stature to deal with it (something we dont have). Sadly I think the only way to sort it out is to break a few eggs on UK soil and it wont be pretty.
Wow! How incredibly ignorant and/or naive.Its one of the biggest problems we face in the western world and sadly will need a leader of real courage and stature to deal with it (something we dont have). Sadly I think the only way to sort it out is to break a few eggs on UK soil and it wont be pretty.
Look up yer history pal. We in the West have in almost equal measure supported & attacked various Muslim extremist groups over the years....
) and have also protested all the other times in recent history that Western governments have supported & armed Muslim extremist regimes & groups?I'm not sure if this was discussed before - this child was born and raised in Sydney, British mum and islamic convert father. Dad has now taken his boys to Syria to partake in assorted nastiness, but tweets this picture with the tag 'That's my boy!'.
The censored bit is a Syrian army soldier's severed head. The dad is apparently with IS / ISIS.
Meanwhile in Holland (from www.steynonline.com)
ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. It's a preconceived plan by Zionists who want to deliberately blacken Islam's name.
Who is Yasmina Haifi? She's an official at the Dutch Ministry of Justice who serves as project leader at the Netherlands' National Cyber Security Center. And she thinks Isis is a Zionist plot to make Islam look bad.
Back at home it is quite difficult to explain to my 11yo son what, exactly, is going on in some parts of the World...
The censored bit is a Syrian army soldier's severed head. The dad is apparently with IS / ISIS.
Meanwhile in Holland (from www.steynonline.com)
ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. It's a preconceived plan by Zionists who want to deliberately blacken Islam's name.
Who is Yasmina Haifi? She's an official at the Dutch Ministry of Justice who serves as project leader at the Netherlands' National Cyber Security Center. And she thinks Isis is a Zionist plot to make Islam look bad.
Back at home it is quite difficult to explain to my 11yo son what, exactly, is going on in some parts of the World...
tenpenceshort said:
We're ('the West') perpetuating a cycle. In the face of provocation we react and those who provoke us use the reaction as a sales pitch to recruit yet more opponents, and on it goes. If we're going to try and make friends with these people we need to stop blowing up their high streets and start feeding their pockets and sphere of knowledge.
Why should we want to "make friends" with this bunch of thick, religious, racist lunatics whose desire is to behead any infidel who doesn't believe in Mo or Allah? They are not interested in anything but the eradication of non-Sharia Muslims. They are by far the most actively racist people on the planet. Even South Africans don't go round as openly killing people of other sects or tribes or camps or clubs. tenpenceshort said:
We're ('the West') perpetuating a cycle. In the face of provocation we react and those who provoke us use the reaction as a sales pitch to recruit yet more opponents, and on it goes. If we're going to try and make friends with these people we need to stop blowing up their high streets and start feeding their pockets and sphere of knowledge.
By educating and lifting them out of abject ignorance and poverty the grip of Islam will reduce and the lure of extremist views will lessen. As long as there remains such a gap in wealth between us and the only exposure to our differences being the quality of the rockets raining down on them, there will be an ideological conflict.
Worse than this.By educating and lifting them out of abject ignorance and poverty the grip of Islam will reduce and the lure of extremist views will lessen. As long as there remains such a gap in wealth between us and the only exposure to our differences being the quality of the rockets raining down on them, there will be an ideological conflict.
When there is even a hint of a temporary local advantage the West is all over these groups & regimes, offering support, aid, arms, air strikes....
As I say, you don't have to be a genius to work out why half the world hates us & it has nothing to do with "freedom" "tolerance" and other BS phrases that we hear about ad nauseum.
We continue to throw fuel on the flames, and people like Mr Foley pay the ultimate price for our hypocrisy.
Unquestionably horrific and utterly indefensible.
The problem is, what is to be done?...
Once you get past the usual "bomb them into the stone age' nonsense, the various anti-Western, anti-Muslim, antisemitic poison that is flooding the internet, how do we get to a functioning and self-sufficient society?.
I do not see how a military solution can be effective at this stage;
- The West cannot afford a total war- costs to date are staggering - Even if it could, there would be massive loss of life and after a recovery period it could well flare up again
I have no practical way out of this whole disaster.
The problem is, what is to be done?...
Once you get past the usual "bomb them into the stone age' nonsense, the various anti-Western, anti-Muslim, antisemitic poison that is flooding the internet, how do we get to a functioning and self-sufficient society?.
I do not see how a military solution can be effective at this stage;
- The West cannot afford a total war- costs to date are staggering - Even if it could, there would be massive loss of life and after a recovery period it could well flare up again
I have no practical way out of this whole disaster.
zcacogp said:
Others will disagree on this, as many historical disputes on PH have proved.
Oli.
It can't be religion, as murder is condemned in Islam. So you see, you cannot be a Muslim if you take another's life. Don't be so narrow minded, just because one calls himself a muslim does not make one a muslim. You have to live like one too.Oli.
We are talking about a minority here, people who like to see the world burn, religion or no religion. Look at whats going on in Ferguson, thugs coming in from Texas just to take part in the destruction and violence.
All of a sudden 'all' muslims are murders - lovely stereotyping there. I recall the Irish went through something similar some years back, labels are not nice.
Guam said:
None of which explains what is happening with these UK extremists, I doubt many have been to Saudi nor had contact with Saudi's the base philosophy may have its origins there, but it still fails to address the core issue as to how otherwise normal Brits become barbarians willing to behead some poor sod.
Much as disaffected black youths will gravitate towards gangs, so disaffected Muslim youths will gravitate towards the likes of IS.Poor American youths join the army and I imagine that if you're living 4 to a room in a a Bradford terrace council house, then the appeal of going overseas and fighting is pretty strong (it's how most militaries have recruited for years). Throw in the controlling nature of religion and its appeal to people lacking structure in their lives and you have a potent mix.
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