US journalist beheaded by ISIS...

[folos]

RemyMartin said:

Exactly this. Burnt into my head forever :-(

These sick animals need putting down. Not deradicalisation. There is no reasoning with savages.

I favour sticking them all on a desert island with no food or water. Let them see how long it takes for Allah to save them before they start turning on eachother.

[rich1231]

photosnob said:

They have been in captivity for years. They have almost certainly undergone numerous mock executions. From reports they are kept in the most awful conditions. The human mind has an amazing ability to want to survive but there does come a point in caves in.

I'm also not overly convinced you are seeing the execution on video. At no point is there blood. The poor blokes probably do not think they are being executed but are going through yet another mock set up.

I personally believe after viewing both of the video's that they are executed off camera and this is the final image shown.

They are using the Brit because it's more shocking and opens up their audience to the west in a very real way.

You do see blood. You also see a struggle. I'm not going into more details.

You haven't seen the full video if you think it isnt the execution.

[photosnob]

vescaegg said:

Some are claiming the videos of the actual beheadings are not real and that they were probably done off screen some time later. The videos fade to black and dont actually show the deeds which is odd for someone purposefully trying to cause distress.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/bill-gardne...

It's not odd at all. The set up is moderately professional with external audio. Whoever is making these video's has some idea of what they are doing.

The execution does not happen on camera - they want to assert complete control. Seeing someone kick and scream is actually not as horrific as seeing someone denounce their society, their family and their country and then showing their heads on their bodies.

[RemyMartin]

I certainly wasn't Internet naive as you put it but it certainly affected me more than anything I'd ever see (or still to this day, ever seen)

[photosnob]

rich1231 said:

You do see blood. You also see a struggle. I'm not going into more details.

You haven't seen the full video if you think it isnt the execution.

I'm talking about the execution of the two journalists recently. And you do not see blood on video, it's an image taken afterwards. At the point of cutting there is no blood.

[lord trumpton]

vescaegg said:

RemyMartin said:

Dan_1981 said:

Ken Bigley, way back in what 2004?

Probably one of the first videoed executions.

Still remember it vividly. Will never ever attempt to watch another.

Exactly this. Burnt into my head forever :-(

These sick animals need putting down. Not deradicalisation. There is no reasoning with savages.

That was the one which took my innocence which is a strange but accurate way of putting it. I was young and 'internet naive'

Me too - watched it and have never had to stomach to even think about watching another. It's the worst fking thing I have ever seen. Poor Ken

[darreni]

wc98 said:

i hope the reason is they are drugged before execution . i cannot imagine the emotions in that situation .

If they are prepared to calmly carry out such acts ( including the same on children), then I fear drugs and or sedatives would be wishful thinking on our part.

I can't even begin to imagine the terror in that chaps mind, having been in captivity for a year.

RIP.

[Mermaid]

anonymous said:

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Tough one. How long before they export their terrorism? And then super shock and super super awe

[BlackLabel]

Well that is clearly the argument everyone is having - the Islamic State is obviously a problem for Syria and Iraq but is it a big enough problem for American and British national security for them to act militarily? More than just arming the Kurds or air strikes that is.

Britain clearly has a problem with home grown Jihadis but for us military involvement in Iraq/Syria won't solve the problem. In fact, if we go from recent history it tends to create even more of the nutters for us to deal with.

Jimbeaux said:

BlackLabel said:

onyx39 said:

I guess we are backed into a corner now, how can America NOT act?

Some would argue that is exactly what the Islamic State wants. It's pretty clear that part of their goal is to bait Obama and draw the West in to a greater degree than we are now.

And if we don't? Do you think they still will not come to the UK/US to do dark deeds?

[Campo]

vescaegg said:

You are an idiot.

Some people dont want to hide themselves from the things that go on in the world; these things are happening every day. The world is a fked up place and many people prefer not to be ignorant to the horrors that people are suffering. The majority of people wont watch and will forget about it tomorrow. Those that do certainly wont.

For the record, I have not watched it but have previously seen similar. Once was enough for me to have it burned into my retinas.

Its my opinion, just as I wouldn't go seeking out snuff movies I certainly don't go to Google looking for beheading videos either. Again, in my opinion, people that do are sick.

[Jimmyarm]

These people are vermin and need to be exterminated from whatever crevices they are hiding in, not matter what part of the globe that may be.

[folos]

anonymous said:

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But not until after the US elections!

[B17NNS]

Transcript here:

http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/ll_a_s/2014/Sep/2/...

[Jimbeaux]

Guam said:

Jimbeaux said:

And if we don't? Do you think they still will not come to the UK/US to do dark deeds?

The pressure on Mr O to start mass bombing raids on their positions, has to be getting pretty intense after this I would imagine!

For him to lay out a strategy at least. Hardcore Dems are banging on him now for action.

[Jimbeaux]

BlackLabel said:

Well that is clearly the argument everyone is having - the Islamic State is obviously a problem for Syria and Iraq but is it a big enough problem for American and British national security for them to act militarily? More than just arming the Kurds or air strikes that is.

Britain clearly has a problem with home grown Jihadis but for us military involvement in Iraq/Syria won't solve the problem. In fact, if we go from recent history it tends to create even more of the nutters for us to deal with.

Jimbeaux said:

BlackLabel said:

onyx39 said:

I guess we are backed into a corner now, how can America NOT act?

Some would argue that is exactly what the Islamic State wants. It's pretty clear that part of their goal is to bait Obama and draw the West in to a greater degree than we are now.

And if we don't? Do you think they still will not come to the UK/US to do dark deeds?

Not neccessarily more than airstrikes, just more thorough airstrikes. Much of ISIS moves in army-like formations, air power is applicaple in many cases.

[Jimbeaux]

folos said:

anonymous said:

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But not until after the US elections!

Inaction regarding theses animals does not improve our voters' disposition.

[onyx39]

BlackLabel said:

onyx39 said:

I guess we are backed into a corner now, how can America NOT act?

Some would argue that is exactly what the Islamic State wants. It's pretty clear that part of their goal is to bait Obama and draw the West in to a greater degree than we are now.

I don't doubt that for one second.

[egor110]

lord trumpton said:

Such a barbaric, despicable act.

One thing that does run through my mind is this...

If i were the unfortunate captive and I got dressed in the orange suit and put in front of the camera etc I do wonder how I would manage to stay composed like the poor fellows in the video.

I'm not sure if I could 'go quietly' I would probably go berserk and try everything I could to do exactly what they didn't want. I'm not talking tough here, just wondering how these poor men facing a certain death manage to just stay composed.

Whatever though, may their souls rest in peace.

You'd think you'd attempt to escape and hope they shot you rather than behead you, although i guess none of us know what the poor buggers are thinking.

[NDA]

lord trumpton said:

Such a barbaric, despicable act.

One thing that does run through my mind is this...

If i were the unfortunate captive and I got dressed in the orange suit and put in front of the camera etc I do wonder how I would manage to stay composed like the poor fellows in the video.

I'm not sure if I could 'go quietly' I would probably go berserk and try everything I could to do exactly what they didn't want. I'm not talking tough here, just wondering how these poor men facing a certain death manage to just stay composed.

Whatever though, may their souls rest in peace.

I think this cowardly and brutal act plays on our minds a lot... it certainly plays on my mind. The family and friends knowing how they met their end.... etc etc Also, as you say, how each of us might face this moment. I suspect hope somehow plays tricks and that might prevent me from running and hoping to be shot.

Whatever.

I agree with your sentiments and feel huge sadness and anger over these mindless murders.

[gaz1234]

RemyMartin said:

I certainly wasn't Internet naive as you put it but it certainly affected me more than anything I'd ever see (or still to this day, ever seen)

I didn't see this one