US journalist beheaded by ISIS...
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The whole thing is very surreal, the way the videos are produced and the way in which we get to see a "sneak peak" of the next episode each time. It's very much like (and I wish this was the case rather than the very real situation that we have) some sort of horrible film.
Both journalists were very composed at the time, and in both videos the camera fades before the actual beheading. I do wonder if the hostages are given an option - read the script, play along with the "beheading" and in return, be shot off camera and beheaded after death OR resist, and they'll behead them slowly and painfully.
Both outcomes are truly horrible, and those responsible should be brought to justice, but in that position I certainly know which option I'd chose
Both journalists were very composed at the time, and in both videos the camera fades before the actual beheading. I do wonder if the hostages are given an option - read the script, play along with the "beheading" and in return, be shot off camera and beheaded after death OR resist, and they'll behead them slowly and painfully.
Both outcomes are truly horrible, and those responsible should be brought to justice, but in that position I certainly know which option I'd chose
Tc24 said:
The whole thing is very surreal, the way the videos are produced and the way in which we get to see a "sneak peak" of the next episode each time. It's very much like (and I wish this was the case rather than the very real situation that we have) some sort of horrible film.
Both journalists were very composed at the time, and in both videos the camera fades before the actual beheading. I do wonder if the hostages are given an option - read the script, play along with the "beheading" and in return, be shot off camera and beheaded after death OR resist, and they'll behead them slowly and painfully.
Both outcomes are truly horrible, and those responsible should be brought to justice, but in that position I certainly know which option I'd chose
You clearly haven't watched the latest then.Both journalists were very composed at the time, and in both videos the camera fades before the actual beheading. I do wonder if the hostages are given an option - read the script, play along with the "beheading" and in return, be shot off camera and beheaded after death OR resist, and they'll behead them slowly and painfully.
Both outcomes are truly horrible, and those responsible should be brought to justice, but in that position I certainly know which option I'd chose
Don't read this if anyone is squewmish.
You could clearly see the sawing of the knife on the guys throat, and the victim struggling. Blood begins to poor down the neck.
I'm sorry to be so graphic but the few remarks that say it isn't real or it doesn't depict the actual act are deluding themselves for some reason.
Tc24 said:
I do wonder if the hostages are given an option - read the script, play along with the "beheading" and in return, be shot off camera and beheaded after death OR resist, and they'll behead them slowly and painfully.
The prospect of either would have me shaking like a s
tting dog TBH. I can't believe anyone could be that composed knowing what awaits them. I think as someone suggested earlier, they may have been through many mock executions prior and are led to believe that should they say what they are told to say they'll go back to captivity unharmed.rich1231 said:
You clearly haven't watched the latest then.
Don't read this if anyone is squewmish.
You could clearly see the sawing of the knife on the guys throat, and the victim struggling. Blood begins to poor down the neck.
I'm sorry to be so graphic but the few remarks that say it isn't real or it doesn't depict the actual act are deluding themselves for some reason.
I've seen the video, though perhaps the version I've seen is edited, as it fades to black as the sawing begins. I don't feel I'm deluding myself, but was speculating based on the video I had seen. I have no doubt that IS are capable of beheading someone while still alive, but also think that if that's exactly what has happened then they'd have shown it in full for shock value. Again, if the version I've seen has been shortened, then my point is invalid.Don't read this if anyone is squewmish.
You could clearly see the sawing of the knife on the guys throat, and the victim struggling. Blood begins to poor down the neck.
I'm sorry to be so graphic but the few remarks that say it isn't real or it doesn't depict the actual act are deluding themselves for some reason.
B17NNS said:
The prospect of either would have me shaking like a stting dog TBH. I can't believe anyone could be that composed knowing what awaits them. I think as someone suggested earlier, they may have been through many mock executions prior and are led to believe that should they say what they are told to say they'll go back to captivity unharmed.
I suspect you're right re the mock executions - perhaps this is a more likely explanation as to why both journalists were so composed than my previous suggestion.tting dog TBH. I can't believe anyone could be that composed knowing what awaits them. I think as someone suggested earlier, they may have been through many mock executions prior and are led to believe that should they say what they are told to say they'll go back to captivity unharmed.photosnob said:
It's not odd at all. The set up is moderately professional with external audio. Whoever is making these video's has some idea of what they are doing.
Taken from the Liveleak website....These videos are shot, edited and polished in Iraq (thanks to a LiveLeak member for informing me about the production company responsible, it made for interesting reading), then distributed to western media outlets. They are aimed at advertising the IS message directly to the west. They are advertising, slickly produced pseudo snuff movies and we want no part in them should they come up.
MLH said:
Taken from the Liveleak website
....These videos are shot, edited and polished in Iraq (thanks to a LiveLeak member for informing me about the production company responsible, it made for interesting reading), then distributed to western media outlets. They are aimed at advertising the IS message directly to the west. They are advertising, slickly produced pseudo snuff movies and we want no part in them should they come up.
I'm dubious that any company would admit to editing them. For one at the least it means it's likely your offices are going to have something nasty that goes bang fall out of the sky, and secondly they found bin Ladin by following his courier. For every step the west goes forward these nutters learn more about how to operate in their environment. Furthermore without wishing to go into the boring details if they could get the unedited footage there would be information in it that would identity the camera, possibly the gps data and that would narrow it down as to where the the camera was purchased and by who.....These videos are shot, edited and polished in Iraq (thanks to a LiveLeak member for informing me about the production company responsible, it made for interesting reading), then distributed to western media outlets. They are aimed at advertising the IS message directly to the west. They are advertising, slickly produced pseudo snuff movies and we want no part in them should they come up.
Also I'm not convinced they are truly professional. Whilst the camera work, and sound is of decent quality they do lack the polish to have been done by a seasoned pro. Again the editing is the same... It's chopped together and sends the message, but it does lack a small amount of cerfistication. Minus the content matter it's the type of video quality I could achieve. So isn't anything amazing.
They are affective though. Everytime they publish one they get front page news all around the world.
After viewing both videos again I have a personal belief that they were shot at the same time, or on the same day. To me the set up is too similar. The first video talks about specifics whilst this one only generalised and cut in through editing what was happening around the world. My view is that there is a good chance that the poor British bloke is already dead. They will release the footage only when they feel the time is right.
anonymous said:
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Those rules of engagement are precisely why we can never win this sort of conflict through conventional military means. Something different needs to be tried. And to me it does not start with Western military action (at least not overt).Doing something positive with UK nationals involved in this is where our efforts should begin.
anonymous said:
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Rather than commit war crimes we could simply let them get on with it. If the wrong side is winning then you bolster the ones you want to win. That can all be done behind the scenes quite happily. Our problem is that we have aid workers and journalists who think it would be a really good idea to go and change the world by going into these s
t pits. Whilst I do not have anything against the people already killed due to the situation being different when they entered the country, any journalists or do gooders who are now captured in Syria or Iraq should be on their own. Furthermore it would be quite easy to bolster Assad enough for him to cause horrific damage to IS. However the politicians will not want to backtrack now. His Army are not helping this situation by filming themselves committing horrendous actions. However Assad is the better of two evils, he's like Sadam he will keep the nutters at bay and was doing to until we decided to step in and take away his airforce. Yet again it is the Wests actions which have caused this - it is Cameron and Obama who stopped him annihilating IS before they really got going. We are only now starting to care when it's suddenly becoming closer to home.
Let me be very clear. Assad is a truly evil man. However he is an evil we need in this world. Without men like him and Saddam you are seeing what will happen in the middle east. We need to stop meddling and let his forces carry out their disgusting acts knowing that if he doesn't then it will be our soldiers having to kill those men - just in a more humane way.
The solution to Isis, particularly in Iraq, is to ensure that we don't blindly support a sectarian leader. I can see us getting sucked in but I'd much rather we provide aid, rescue civilians, encourage political reform and at a push support those that are fighting against Isis on the ground. I'd despair if we ever sent troops back in there.
CMD, clearly wants to draw us into another conflict. I'd rather we were a bit more sophisticated this time.
CMD, clearly wants to draw us into another conflict. I'd rather we were a bit more sophisticated this time.
RedTrident said:
The solution to Isis, particularly in Iraq, is to ensure that we don't blindly support a sectarian leader. I can see us getting sucked in but I'd much rather we provide aid, rescue civilians, encourage political reform and at a push support those that are fighting against Isis on the ground. I'd despair if we ever sent troops back in there.
CMD, clearly wants to draw us into another conflict. I'd rather we were a bit more sophisticated this time.
Why aren't the Saudis taking action? This is happening on their doorstep, they have no shortage of funds and more than sufficient equipment to assist. If the Saudis assist it lends a local perspective to operations and negates IS claims of "Western interference". More so if India and Pakistan give support.CMD, clearly wants to draw us into another conflict. I'd rather we were a bit more sophisticated this time.
Such action would also give credence to claims that IS represent a minority sect of Islam.
photosnob said:
Let me be very clear. Assad is a truly evil man. However he is an evil we need in this world. Without men like him and Saddam you are seeing what will happen in the middle east. We need to stop meddling and let his forces carry out their disgusting acts knowing that if he doesn't then it will be our soldiers having to kill those men - just in a more humane way.
This should be an absolutely ridiculous statement which should never need to be said, ever.But its one I unfortunately agree with.
100SRV said:
Why aren't the Saudis taking action? This is happening on their doorstep, they have no shortage of funds and more than sufficient equipment to assist. If the Saudis assist it lends a local perspective to operations and negates IS claims of "Western interference". More so if India and Pakistan give support.
Such action would also give credence to claims that IS represent a minority sect of Islam.
Exactly. The Iranians, Jordanians, Egyptians and others could help too... Such action would also give credence to claims that IS represent a minority sect of Islam.
More chance of Father Christmas taking up the fight though.
anonymous said:
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As awful as it is to say, its not 'our' war and I think the best we can hope for is trying to contain it in the Middle East; as far away from the UK as possible.
Its heartbreaking to think of all of the people who have been invaded though. These people are utter savages and I wish them nothing but a swift end.
However there are numerous large powers in the immediate vicinity who are doing nothing so i'd put money on us being on the ground there within 3-4 months.
Murph7355 said:
Exactly. The Iranians, Jordanians, Egyptians and others could help too...
More chance of Father Christmas taking up the fight though.
this x 1000 what the fMore chance of Father Christmas taking up the fight though.
k has it got to do with us why arent the arabs doing something about it.at the very least why arent we interviewing them on tv and putting them on the spot??
whole thing stinks
why cant a un force be sent in as a barrier?
lets make us the f
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