US journalist beheaded by ISIS...
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petemurphy said:
is there a reward out for this john beheading chap - if not there should be a huge one. are there star wars style bounty people in this world?
The only thing a bounty would do is lead to a fellow mental killing him for the bounty. Then our money would actually be directly funding them! No one is going to go looking for him in Syria I can promise you that. You'd need an army, apaches and heavy armour to stand a tiny chance of survival! Either way - his fate is sealed. They won't want to lock him up and having sprouting rubbish. Either an air strike or he will be shot repeatedly if they get their hands on him bin ladin stye.
Only feet on the ground will be SF or SFSG. And they will only be down for the time it takes to complete the mission. Our involvement that we hear about will be limited to drones and at worst ariel strikes. There will not be a ground invasion - we now realise we are not fighting an army but an ideology. They will come back even if we wipe them out. The best we can hope for is to keep them fighting blokes like Assad, and small enough that they can't win.
Gungo ho military action will just make the situation worse and draw us into yet another conflict.
Why aren't the voices of moderate muslims being heard above these nutters?
You get articles like this which hardly see the light of day
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/31/bri...
Yet anything these ISIS nutters say or do makes front page news. Why?
Why aren't the voices of moderate muslims being heard above these nutters?
You get articles like this which hardly see the light of day
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/aug/31/bri...
Yet anything these ISIS nutters say or do makes front page news. Why?
100SRV said:
More so if India and Pakistan give support.
Such action would also give credence to claims that IS represent a minority sect of Islam.
seriously dude? India?. Given why Pakistan and Bangladesh exist I'd venture to suggest India should do the same as us and stay the fSuch action would also give credence to claims that IS represent a minority sect of Islam.
k awayThose saying "it's nothing to do with us"
Just how naive do you have to be to think that? Take a moment to consider what IS's aims and objectives are, and further consider how much cash they have, how much land they've taken so far, and how many people from western countries are fighting for them.
I don't advocate taking IS's bait and escalating the situation, and I'm not entirely sure what the answer is, but anyone thinking this isn't anything to do with us is deluding themselves.
Just how naive do you have to be to think that? Take a moment to consider what IS's aims and objectives are, and further consider how much cash they have, how much land they've taken so far, and how many people from western countries are fighting for them.
I don't advocate taking IS's bait and escalating the situation, and I'm not entirely sure what the answer is, but anyone thinking this isn't anything to do with us is deluding themselves.
Edited by TheJimi on Wednesday 3rd September 09:55
TheJimi said:
Those saying "it's nothing to do with us"
Just how naive do you have to be to think that? Take a moment to consider what IS's aims and objectives are, and further consider how much cash they have, how much land they've taken so far, and how many people from western countries are fighting for them.
I don't advocate taking IS's bait and escalating the situation, and I'm not entirely sure what the answer is, but anyone thinking this isn't anything to do with us is deluding themselves.
There will probably be isolated attacks at home sure. I dont think we can realistically stop them all.Just how naive do you have to be to think that? Take a moment to consider what IS's aims and objectives are, and further consider how much cash they have, how much land they've taken so far, and how many people from western countries are fighting for them.
I don't advocate taking IS's bait and escalating the situation, and I'm not entirely sure what the answer is, but anyone thinking this isn't anything to do with us is deluding themselves.
Edited by TheJimi on Wednesday 3rd September 09:55
They have taken land in countries already on the brink of collapse due to one thing or another.
As for IS's objectives of seemingly taking over the western world?
Edited by vescaegg on Wednesday 3rd September 10:03
vescaegg said:
How many times was he made to do this previously, done what they said, and been 'let go' and it never actually happened? Terrifyingly this could have been the hundredth time and he may have just thought 'Do what they want and it will buy me a few days'....
that would make sense as to why so calm.terrifying.rich1231 said:
Tc24 said:
The whole thing is very surreal, the way the videos are produced and the way in which we get to see a "sneak peak" of the next episode each time. It's very much like (and I wish this was the case rather than the very real situation that we have) some sort of horrible film.
Both journalists were very composed at the time, and in both videos the camera fades before the actual beheading. I do wonder if the hostages are given an option - read the script, play along with the "beheading" and in return, be shot off camera and beheaded after death OR resist, and they'll behead them slowly and painfully.
Both outcomes are truly horrible, and those responsible should be brought to justice, but in that position I certainly know which option I'd chose
You clearly haven't watched the latest then.Both journalists were very composed at the time, and in both videos the camera fades before the actual beheading. I do wonder if the hostages are given an option - read the script, play along with the "beheading" and in return, be shot off camera and beheaded after death OR resist, and they'll behead them slowly and painfully.
Both outcomes are truly horrible, and those responsible should be brought to justice, but in that position I certainly know which option I'd chose
Don't read this if anyone is squewmish.
You could clearly see the sawing of the knife on the guys throat, and the victim struggling. Blood begins to poor down the neck.
I'm sorry to be so graphic but the few remarks that say it isn't real or it doesn't depict the actual act are deluding themselves for some reason.
Also, there is something about the whole thing that just does not stack up
Foley's sister bears a striking resemblance to one of the Sandy Hook victim's sister's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmwhfirp830
I'm no conspiracy nut but one must admit, something seems way off.
An American soldier on reddit has been giving interesting commentary on the issue. The crux of his point being that everyone is wanting something done about IS, yet he asks who the f*ck do you think we were fighting for the best part of a decade in Iraq? With the underlying point being that back then, they WERE fighting IS, they just weren't calling themselves IS and that pretty much as soon as the troops left, they sprung back up again - bigger and badder than ever.
Of course, other circumstances conspired to create a "perfect storm" to enable IS to get to the point where they're at now, but he raises an interesting point: We spent a LOT of time and resources over the course of a decade trying to prevent exactly what's happening now, and trying eradicate exactly the same group of people.
Of course, other circumstances conspired to create a "perfect storm" to enable IS to get to the point where they're at now, but he raises an interesting point: We spent a LOT of time and resources over the course of a decade trying to prevent exactly what's happening now, and trying eradicate exactly the same group of people.
100SRV said:
RedTrident said:
The solution to Isis, particularly in Iraq, is to ensure that we don't blindly support a sectarian leader. I can see us getting sucked in but I'd much rather we provide aid, rescue civilians, encourage political reform and at a push support those that are fighting against Isis on the ground. I'd despair if we ever sent troops back in there.
CMD, clearly wants to draw us into another conflict. I'd rather we were a bit more sophisticated this time.
Why aren't the Saudis taking action? This is happening on their doorstep, they have no shortage of funds and more than sufficient equipment to assist. If the Saudis assist it lends a local perspective to operations and negates IS claims of "Western interference". CMD, clearly wants to draw us into another conflict. I'd rather we were a bit more sophisticated this time.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/iraq-c...
Edited by BlackLabel on Wednesday 3rd September 10:21
Schermerhorn said:
Is this the James Foley video? IIRC, I don't remember seeing any blood, even when John Jihadi was sawing away at his neck.
Also, there is something about the whole thing that just does not stack up
Foley's sister bears a striking resemblance to one of the Sandy Hook victim's sister's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmwhfirp830
I'm no conspiracy nut but one must admit, something seems way off.
ah the crisis actor theory.interesting if a little far fetched imo.Also, there is something about the whole thing that just does not stack up
Foley's sister bears a striking resemblance to one of the Sandy Hook victim's sister's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmwhfirp830
I'm no conspiracy nut but one must admit, something seems way off.
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