US journalist beheaded by ISIS...

[irocfan]

s1962a said:

We know who they all are right? Course we do.

I would suggest, round them ALL up just to be on the safe side, and put them in closed off areas where they can be contained. I would use the word concentration camp, but that doesn't sound right so maybe 'holiday camps for their own good' would be better. Easy.

nope I'm quite happy calling them concentration camps - and chuck their 'uman rights friends in there with them

[irocfan]

KTF said:

I didnt see any blood either and there is another very slow motion of the same video on another site where you can see that even after multiple 'sawings' there is nothing being produced.

Compare this to some of the other videos of this nature to see the difference.

Edit: Also why was his head all red at the end. Unless they rolled it around in it afterwards that wouldn't happen either. Unless its to disguise something of course

not that I'm going to watch this but - surely if he's already dead then there wouldn't be great splurges of blood? Not that it make a whole bunch of difference these people are... are... are... well you know what I mean

[photosnob]

s1962a said:

I have a question around this - I heard the video report on the radio (haven't seen it myself), but the journalist gave a speech condemning obama etc. Why would he do this if he knew he was going to die? I mean, surely he would just resist since he's going to be killed anyway. Why be so calm at a time like that?

When you are trained for these scenarios (I've done very little of it myself, but a bit), you are taught that you will go through mock executions. If that had happened dozens of times, and you were savagely beaten, starved and refused water for not playing along you would also learn to play their game.

The idea that people can be subjected to prolonged torture without breaking is for hollywood. Whilst you might not get reliable information out of them, they will crack and they will start to go mad. I certainly can't imagine spending years terrified being repeatedly beaten and abused, going through that hell. But the truth is, after a while you will say anything just to make it stop.

You also have to remember one other thing - the guys had been kept so long that they could have been told anything, and would have probably believed it. If you have seen them do barbaric things and you believe your family will be subjected to it then you might be more inclined to play along.

I've had the displeasure of seeing a few video's of torture and have read both "our" and their manuals on how to do it. Put it this way - I'd rather have my head chopped off than go through that for years.

[scherzkeks]

KTF said:

I didnt see any blood either and there is another very slow motion of the same video on another site where you can see that even after multiple 'sawings' there is nothing being produced.

Compare this to some of the other videos of this nature to see the difference.

These videos are certainly questionable to the critical thinkers among us, but my favorite is still the Bin Laden raid, and his subsequent secret "burial at sea."

[Aphex]

irocfan said:

not that I'm going to watch this but - surely if he's already dead then there wouldn't be great splurges of blood? Not that it make a whole bunch of difference these people are... are... are... well you know what I mean

They aren't already dead when they start the act. Foley was amped up and his neck was bulging before hand, haven't seen the second one.

[photosnob]

Aphex said:

They aren't already dead when they start the act. Foley was amped up and his neck was bulging before hand, haven't seen the second one.

I've been unfortunate enough to see a knife would. I can promise you one thing - by the sawing motion there would be blood. Anyone who has ever cut an animals throat or seen it done will testify to how quickly the blood gushes out. Look at earlier video's and you will see just how much blood there is.

I don't think you are seeing in the video's the throats being cut. I think the beheading happens afterwords. There are a few reasons for this, not just the blood. But the lack of begging or screaming. The lack of active resistance. Usually people have to be held down to have this sort off stuff done to them.

I honestly believe that they are not killed at all whilst the video is running. I think this happens separately and quite possibly at a different time.

Again this comes down to their conditioning and training - if someone has put a knife to your throat and pretended to cut it dozens or hundreds of time before you will not react violently to it. And yes I have seen the second video and noticed his legs moved, but not in a violent way it's his body naturally flowing to be comfortable in that position.

Edited by photosnob on Wednesday 3rd September 15:43

[CJP80]

photosnob said:

I've been unfortunate enough to see a knife would. I can promise you one thing - by the sawing motion there would be blood. Anyone who has ever cut an animals throat or seen it done will testify to how quickly the blood gushes out. Look at earlier video's and you will see just how much blood there is.

I don't think you are seeing in the video's the throats being cut. I think the beheading happens afterwords. There are a few reasons for this, not just the blood. But the lack of begging or screaming. The lack of active resistance. Usually people have to be held down to have this sort off stuff done to them.

I honestly believe that they are not killed at all whilst the video is running. I think this happens separately and quite possibly at a different time.

Yep, after accidentally seeing the Eugene Armstrong video many years ago, I am inclined to agree.

[Mermaid]

Guam said:

From the Mail

Today Lord West, the former head of the British navy, described the executioner as a 'dead man walking' and said U.S. special forces will hunt him down in the same way they tracked and killed Osama Bin Laden.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2741657/Ca...
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& the next one will take his place whilst the 1st one is gorging on his virgins. Attack the ideology, and its source

[hornet]

The lack of blood does seem a bit weird, as does the change in tactic given IS seems only too happy to show their butchery in graphic detail in every other video. It's either :-

• Genuine IS video edited for western news media consumption - change of approach?
• Staged video by IS - why bother given previous form?
• Staged video by someone else - Assad, Israel, US, who knows?
• IS doesn't actually exist and is a construct to achieve other goals

Heard all of the above discussed, but very quickly ends up in David Icke territory where "critical thinking" gives way to "absolutely everything that contradicts my agenda is a false flag event". Both executions could be spun to suit any number of agendas, so who really knows?

[photosnob]

hornet said:

The lack of blood does seem a bit weird, as does the change in tactic given IS seems only too happy to show their butchery in graphic detail in every other video. It's either :-

• Genuine IS video edited for western news media consumption - change of approach?
• Staged video by IS - why bother given previous form?
• Staged video by someone else - Assad, Israel, US, who knows?
• IS doesn't actually exist and is a construct to achieve other goals

Heard all of the above discussed, but very quickly ends up in David Icke territory where "critical thinking" gives way to "absolutely everything that contradicts my agenda is a false flag event". Both executions could be spun to suit any number of agendas, so who really knows?

We are talking about it that's why. A fair few me included have seen the video. Show too much and it might stop some people watching, more importantly it detracts from the image. Any great storyteller leaves questions to be answered and doesn't give it all away. Also they want to show a certain image... Cool calm and in control. They are desperate to draw us into a war. I'm sad to say this but if this doesn't work there will be bombings in Britain and America.

[onyx39]

photosnob said:

hornet said:

I'm sad to say this but if this doesn't work there will be bombings in Britain and America.

I'm pretty convinced that whatever happens, we will see attacks on these shores.
I had to get a train home yesterday, and I cannot remember being so scared on a train, even when the IRA were at their peak.
I realise that the terrorists want to keep us all on edge, frankly it's working on my part.

[Pesty]

Might get interesting now. Isis have threatened Putin Saying they will take Moscow.

Where is the popcorn?

[g4ry13]

I had refrained from watching the video as I didn't wish to subject myself to it as I have seen some rather disturbing things in my time online. But would feel a bit silly saying "I haven't watched the video yet, but....."

tbh, I expected a lot worse. I know there are other videos around which are very harrowing. This one seemed very scripted and i'm very much inclined to agree that they staged fake executions which they filmed so they could get it 'right' to distribute. People were going crazy about 'Jihadi John' and from what I have seen in these clips there is nothing to suggest the person speaking is the person next to the victim. When all but his eyes are covered I believe it would be foolish to just automatically assume the voice is that of the supposed executioner. Occam's razor may argue contrary but I don't think it's a given.

The second thing is with the sawing of the knife, there was no visible blood and they cut away very fast. Seeing as IS(IS/IL) like to release videos for shock value I am not sure why they would not show the whole thing. It's actually rather bizarre why they wouldn't show someone in pain or have their final moments captured on camera - they aren't exactly the most humane of people. Either way, that knife isn't going to do the job. Something/someone else was used in the process.

Bottom line: another journalist is dead and it doesn't really matter the who, when or how. But not everything is as it seems from the video that the media would like to make people believe.

[9mm]

alfaman said:

9mm said:

More prevarication and cluelessness from the West.

I wonder what Israel would do if it was Israeli journalists being beheaded.

Actually the latest chap killed also was Israeli. Israelis kept it quiet to avoid provoking IS

Dual nationality as I understand it but he appears more US judged by his residency and background

Even so, I suspect the Israeli citizenship angle may be a factor in what happens next

[AreOut]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf5TFrvzmAE

oh well

[photosnob]

Anyone notice the irony of America not trading or paying terrorists. What did they swap to get that deserter/soldier back?

Our guy who is captured is ex forces. They are calling him an aid worker for obvious reasons, however it looks to my like he was in a security role. He's probably already dead, but if we can pay them off to get him back as far as I'm concerned it would be worth it. I don't like the idea of funding terrorists, I don't like the idea of our citizens being beheaded. Get them back and then bomb them out of existence. It's not like the money is going to make a lot of difference to them, they have enough oil fields to fund an entire army and pay them wages!

[irocfan]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/04/islamic...

get ready for a looooong war

[Mermaid]

irocfan said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/04/islamic...

get ready for a looooong war

Started a long time ago, now escalating

[Pesty]

British boxer Antony small defends Isis.


http://rt.com/uk/184812-anthony-small-defends-isis...

[supersingle]

Pesty said:

British boxer Antony small defends Isis.


http://rt.com/uk/184812-anthony-small-defends-isis...

One too many blows to the head.