US journalist beheaded by ISIS...
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How many times do politicians have to repeat the same mistakes before they finally wake up.
They did the same with Hussein, Al Qaeda and now ISIS.
They fund terrorists fighting against middle-east regimes, and then once they have enough funds are surprised when the rabid dogs they've been feeding turn around and bite their hand.
Last time it ended with 3000+ dead from the Twin Towers alone. How many will die because of their retarded decisions this time.
They did the same with Hussein, Al Qaeda and now ISIS.
They fund terrorists fighting against middle-east regimes, and then once they have enough funds are surprised when the rabid dogs they've been feeding turn around and bite their hand.
Last time it ended with 3000+ dead from the Twin Towers alone. How many will die because of their retarded decisions this time.
VeeDubBigBird said:
How many times do politicians have to repeat the same mistakes before they finally wake up.
They did the same with Hussein, Al Qaeda and now ISIS.
They fund terrorists fighting against middle-east regimes, and then once they have enough funds are surprised when the rabid dogs they've been feeding turn around and bite their hand.
Last time it ended with 3000+ dead from the Twin Towers alone. How many will die because of their retarded decisions this time.
Wake up? This is what they do. It's been going on for decades. It also feeds the perpetual war machine, which drives the American economy.They did the same with Hussein, Al Qaeda and now ISIS.
They fund terrorists fighting against middle-east regimes, and then once they have enough funds are surprised when the rabid dogs they've been feeding turn around and bite their hand.
Last time it ended with 3000+ dead from the Twin Towers alone. How many will die because of their retarded decisions this time.
In short, it is deliberate.
iphonedyou said:
Would be happy to see UK involvement in missile strikes at this point, personally.
Same hereNormally anti-war and think its better to leave these people to sort themselves out butbsince ISIS is something we helpe create, I think the UK govt and others should blow them to smitherings
Eclassy said:
Same here
Normally anti-war and think its better to leave these people to sort themselves out butbsince ISIS is something we helpe create, I think the UK govt and others should blow them to smitherings
We agree but for different reasons. I'm sick of them acting with apparent immunity and want them finished before they start causing issues elsewhere - and especially here.Normally anti-war and think its better to leave these people to sort themselves out butbsince ISIS is something we helpe create, I think the UK govt and others should blow them to smitherings
Strange time make for strange bed-fellows... welcome our new bessies, Iran
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-290790...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-290790...
Pesty said:
I posted this about a week ago, but I'm only a Yank, so never mind. 
VeeDubBigBird said:
How many times do politicians have to repeat the same mistakes before they finally wake up.
They did the same with Hussein, Al Qaeda and now ISIS.
They fund terrorists fighting against middle-east regimes, and then once they have enough funds are surprised when the rabid dogs they've been feeding turn around and bite their hand.
Last time it ended with 3000+ dead from the Twin Towers alone. How many will die because of their retarded decisions this time.
Oh, you are one of those that believes that western actions cause that as opposed to us simply not following their extremist doctrine; got it. They did the same with Hussein, Al Qaeda and now ISIS.
They fund terrorists fighting against middle-east regimes, and then once they have enough funds are surprised when the rabid dogs they've been feeding turn around and bite their hand.
Last time it ended with 3000+ dead from the Twin Towers alone. How many will die because of their retarded decisions this time.
It's a few months old but the comments by the former chief of MI6 are interesting.
It would be impossible to completely have a media black-out because of websites like liveleak and their like however I wonder what would happen if we deliberately just ignored beheadings like the ones we've seen recently?
Not ignore in the sense that we take no military action against ISIS but just don't have White House/Downing Street press conferences about it or 24/7 news coverage.
Starve these people of what they want - publicity.
It would be impossible to completely have a media black-out because of websites like liveleak and their like however I wonder what would happen if we deliberately just ignored beheadings like the ones we've seen recently?
Not ignore in the sense that we take no military action against ISIS but just don't have White House/Downing Street press conferences about it or 24/7 news coverage.
Starve these people of what they want - publicity.
ex MI6 chief said:
The government and media have blown the Islamist terrorism threat out of proportion, giving extremists publicity that is counter-productive, a former head of Britain's intelligence service has said.
Sir Richard Dearlove, chief of MI6 at the time of the Iraq invasion, said that Britons spreading "blood-curdling" messages on the internet should be ignored. He told an audience in London on Monday there had been a fundamental change in the nature of Islamist extremism since the Arab spring. It had created a major political problem in the Middle East but the west, including Britain, was only "marginally affected".
Unlike the threat posed by al-Qaida before and in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks 13 years ago, the west was not the main target of the radical fundamentalism that created Isis, (the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant), Dearlove said.
Addressing the Royal United Services Institute, the London-based security and defence thinktank, he said the conflict was "essentially one of Muslim on Muslim".
He made it clear he believed the way the British government and the media were giving the extremists the "oxygen of publicity" was counter-productive. The media were making monsters of "misguided young men, rather pathetic figures" who were getting coverage "more than their wildest dreams", said Dearlove, adding: "It is surely better to ignore them."
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/07/islamist-terror-threat-out-proportion-former-mi6-chief-richard-dearloveSir Richard Dearlove, chief of MI6 at the time of the Iraq invasion, said that Britons spreading "blood-curdling" messages on the internet should be ignored. He told an audience in London on Monday there had been a fundamental change in the nature of Islamist extremism since the Arab spring. It had created a major political problem in the Middle East but the west, including Britain, was only "marginally affected".
Unlike the threat posed by al-Qaida before and in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks 13 years ago, the west was not the main target of the radical fundamentalism that created Isis, (the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant), Dearlove said.
Addressing the Royal United Services Institute, the London-based security and defence thinktank, he said the conflict was "essentially one of Muslim on Muslim".
He made it clear he believed the way the British government and the media were giving the extremists the "oxygen of publicity" was counter-productive. The media were making monsters of "misguided young men, rather pathetic figures" who were getting coverage "more than their wildest dreams", said Dearlove, adding: "It is surely better to ignore them."
Jimbeaux said:
Oh, you are one of those that believes that western actions cause that as opposed to us simply not following their extremist doctrine; got it.
It's A fact the UK & USA supplied (the Freedom Fighters) in Syria arms & training to over throw the Syrian regime (had we left them to deal with their own civil war isis would've been crushed) it's no coincidence that ISIS started in Syria & that they have US & UK weapons. Especially seeing as Syria buys it's arms from Russia & China.Still think it's a coincidence?
Jimbeaux said:
VeeDubBigBird said:
How many times do politicians have to repeat the same mistakes before they finally wake up.
They did the same with Hussein, Al Qaeda and now ISIS.
They fund terrorists fighting against middle-east regimes, and then once they have enough funds are surprised when the rabid dogs they've been feeding turn around and bite their hand.
Last time it ended with 3000+ dead from the Twin Towers alone. How many will die because of their retarded decisions this time.
Oh, you are one of those that believes that western actions cause that as opposed to us simply not following their extremist doctrine; got it. They did the same with Hussein, Al Qaeda and now ISIS.
They fund terrorists fighting against middle-east regimes, and then once they have enough funds are surprised when the rabid dogs they've been feeding turn around and bite their hand.
Last time it ended with 3000+ dead from the Twin Towers alone. How many will die because of their retarded decisions this time.
Our US and western foreign policy has been a mess for a long while, and seen as self-serving and leading to the deaths of others, but so has that of many other countries and races for many years. For ever really. They (ISL) are no better in their self-serving land grabs and violence so have no place to carp; hypocrites.
So, the number of militants, the ability to draw in maniac recruits (even those willing to blow themselves, or press-ganged children, to bits) and the extremity of their actions must be influenced by that and the resentment and hate they feel for us. On the other hand, they are maniacs and a significant number would be after us, a Caliphate, the imposition of Sharia etc. whatever we did. And some of the actions they resent and rail over have been done for self-defense or to protect others, like the Yazzis.
We really can't win for losing with these idiots and their backward mind sets so on balance I think that whenever and wherever they are out in the open and present targets away from civilian populations we blow the b
ds to bits, as often as possible. Then monitor and crack down on their compadres in our countries and their promoters and preachers. I really do feel that full adherence to freedom of speech is becoming difficult to maintain when the likes of some of the clerics badged "preaches of hate" are concerned, or their flag and banner waving followers, like those in the UK lately.ISIS is just the latest bogeyman to keep us supporting the draconian erosion of our civil rights and wars designed to secure valuable resources on foreign soil. It's amazing how we lap this crap up. Year after year we just let the media, backed by governments and corporations, feed us a line of bullst that keeps the military-industrial complex in place.
ISIS was born out of a conflict designed by us in Syria. It's no accident that these 'radicals' suddenly find themselves with pot loads of cash and enough arms to start WWIII.
t that keeps the military-industrial complex in place.ISIS was born out of a conflict designed by us in Syria. It's no accident that these 'radicals' suddenly find themselves with pot loads of cash and enough arms to start WWIII.
Twincharge said:
ISIS is just the latest bogeyman to keep us supporting the draconian erosion of our civil rights and wars designed to secure valuable resources on foreign soil. It's amazing how we lap this crap up. Year after year we just let the media, backed by governments and corporations, feed us a line of bullst that keeps the military-industrial complex in place.
ISIS was born out of a conflict designed by us in Syria. It's no accident that these 'radicals' suddenly find themselves with pot loads of cash and enough arms to start WWIII.
Conspiracy theory rubbish. Get real.t that keeps the military-industrial complex in place.ISIS was born out of a conflict designed by us in Syria. It's no accident that these 'radicals' suddenly find themselves with pot loads of cash and enough arms to start WWIII.
BillPeart said:
Twincharge said:
ISIS is just the latest bogeyman to keep us supporting the draconian erosion of our civil rights and wars designed to secure valuable resources on foreign soil. It's amazing how we lap this crap up. Year after year we just let the media, backed by governments and corporations, feed us a line of bullst that keeps the military-industrial complex in place.
ISIS was born out of a conflict designed by us in Syria. It's no accident that these 'radicals' suddenly find themselves with pot loads of cash and enough arms to start WWIII.
Conspiracy theory rubbish. Get real.t that keeps the military-industrial complex in place.ISIS was born out of a conflict designed by us in Syria. It's no accident that these 'radicals' suddenly find themselves with pot loads of cash and enough arms to start WWIII.
Remember all Saddam's WMB & the Gulf War brought to you by Dick Cheney & Haliburton? Well we helped arm & train Iraqi forces 10 years earlier. It's all about control of dwindling resources & infrastructure rebuild contracts.
We are suddenly making friends with Iran. I guarantee within 10 years the West will be at war with them, or funding & aiding attacks on their regime.
Conflict & confusion seems to be our goal in the Middle East.
Eesh. Open your eyes.
Edited by zygalski on Monday 8th September 07:07
Twincharge said:
ISIS is just the latest bogeyman to keep us supporting the draconian erosion of our civil rights and wars designed to secure valuable resources on foreign soil. It's amazing how we lap this crap up. Year after year we just let the media, backed by governments and corporations, feed us a line of bullst that keeps the military-industrial complex in place.
ISIS was born out of a conflict designed by us in Syria. It's no accident that these 'radicals' suddenly find themselves with pot loads of cash and enough arms to start WWIII.
I think you credit our Governments with too much intelligence.t that keeps the military-industrial complex in place.ISIS was born out of a conflict designed by us in Syria. It's no accident that these 'radicals' suddenly find themselves with pot loads of cash and enough arms to start WWIII.
My guess is that they supported uprisings in Libya and Syria in the hope of more pro-western regimes coming to power. ( A la Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait etc....) Unfortunately the best laid plans of mice and men often go awry.and now they're stuck with a whole new bunch of nutters.
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