US journalist beheaded by ISIS...
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zygalski said:
BillPeart said:
Twincharge said:
ISIS is just the latest bogeyman to keep us supporting the draconian erosion of our civil rights and wars designed to secure valuable resources on foreign soil. It's amazing how we lap this crap up. Year after year we just let the media, backed by governments and corporations, feed us a line of bulls
t that keeps the military-industrial complex in place.
ISIS was born out of a conflict designed by us in Syria. It's no accident that these 'radicals' suddenly find themselves with pot loads of cash and enough arms to start WWIII.
Conspiracy theory rubbish. Get real.t that keeps the military-industrial complex in place.ISIS was born out of a conflict designed by us in Syria. It's no accident that these 'radicals' suddenly find themselves with pot loads of cash and enough arms to start WWIII.
Remember all Saddam's WMB & the Gulf War brought to you by Dick Cheney & Haliburton? Well we helped arm & train Iraqi forces 10 years earlier. It's all about control of dwindling resources & infrastructure rebuild contracts.
We are suddenly making friends with Iran. I guarantee within 10 years the West will be at war with them, or funding & aiding attacks on their regime.
Conflict & confusion seems to be our goal in the Middle East.
Eesh. Open your eyes.
Edited by zygalski on Monday 8th September 07:07
zygalski said:
No actually he's pretty much bang on.
Remember all Saddam's WMB & the Gulf War brought to you by Dick Cheney & Haliburton? Well we helped arm & train Iraqi forces 10 years earlier. It's all about control of dwindling resources & infrastructure rebuild contracts.
We are suddenly making friends with Iran. I guarantee within 10 years the West will be at war with them, or funding & aiding attacks on their regime.
Conflict & confusion seems to be our goal in the Middle East.
Eesh. Open your eyes.
FFS, we supported Saddam as a bulwark against Iran, remember the Iran, Iraq war ? Iran was a proxy state for Russia and was doing all kinds of deeply unpleasant things. The US took a side at the time which was Iraq. Later Saddam went crazy and invaded another soveriegn nation (remember) we didn't just start in by accident.... WMDs were nothing compared to the actual cause of the Gulf War 2 was that we should have finished the bloody job at the end of Gulf War 1. Remember all Saddam's WMB & the Gulf War brought to you by Dick Cheney & Haliburton? Well we helped arm & train Iraqi forces 10 years earlier. It's all about control of dwindling resources & infrastructure rebuild contracts.
We are suddenly making friends with Iran. I guarantee within 10 years the West will be at war with them, or funding & aiding attacks on their regime.
Conflict & confusion seems to be our goal in the Middle East.
Eesh. Open your eyes.
Edited by zygalski on Monday 8th September 07:07
Syria has long been a western ally. However with the Arab Spring, it was a gamble to support what the west perceived as a chance for democracy to take hold. I think most serious analysts thought that would be a mistake, but niether the US nor the UK could really be openly supporting a dictatorship. We were ideally looking for a transfer of power. Not a full on civil war.
Gargamel said:
Later Saddam went crazy and invaded another soveriegn nation (remember) we didn't just start in by accident....
Mmm, yes. To be fair, the Kuwaitis were accused of stealing 2.5 billion barrels of oil from Iraq's Rumaila oil fields by sliding drills into Iraqi oil pipelines.[Shrub] "Do not set fire to oil wells" [/Shrub]
Abu Qatada denounces ISIL (!) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...
So we arnt negotiating our blokes release. I have my suspicions that sadly he is already been finished with. Now the question is when they are releasing the video and who is going to be next. For good reason no one is saying how many prisoners they have. However are we really going to endure months or years of the same stuff? Remember getting British and Americans is easy - just find them in the Middle East. What happens when we get numb to it? Are they going to outrage us by gutting them alive and sending it out?
Clearly there end game is to drag us into another war. My brain says we should keep away, however something else says we can't sit by and have our people tortured and murdered.
My concern is you will see this happening on a street near you. Local Muslim mentalists capture a British soldier and behead him in their bedroom. Would be very easy to do. With cheap dslr's they would be able to make videos of similar quality. Only one thing is sure, something is going to happen. I'd hate to be the one having to make the calls now.
Clearly there end game is to drag us into another war. My brain says we should keep away, however something else says we can't sit by and have our people tortured and murdered.
My concern is you will see this happening on a street near you. Local Muslim mentalists capture a British soldier and behead him in their bedroom. Would be very easy to do. With cheap dslr's they would be able to make videos of similar quality. Only one thing is sure, something is going to happen. I'd hate to be the one having to make the calls now.
Puggit said:
Abu Qatada denounces ISIL (!) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...
I am gald they are now being referred to as "ISIL". makes them sound like cheap bogroll, which is apt.Puggit said:
Abu Qatada denounces ISIL (!) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...
Which is patently bks, coz IS aren't doing anything AQ or Al Nusra haven't done in the past. The denunciation stems from sour grapes that IS have gotten to the stage of creating a "state" before they did.(IMO)
Edited by TheJimi on Monday 8th September 13:50
Guam said:
great that there is some positive UK press for 'the common Muslim'
TheJimi said:
Guam said:
irocfan said:
great that there is some positive UK press for 'the common Muslim'
I don't see a problem with most Muslims. Indeed most are decent people. It's the mentalists we have to be wary off. Burning a few flags is not going to make it go away.
photosnob said:
I don't see a problem with most Muslims. Indeed most are decent people. It's the mentalists we have to be wary off. Burning a few flags is not going to make it go away.
Sure but if you're an easily led simpleton, then seeing other muslims and particularly religious leaders, condemning them, might just make people think twice about going to join them. The ones that have already joined can either be bombed or shot.
el stovey said:
photosnob said:
I don't see a problem with most Muslims. Indeed most are decent people. It's the mentalists we have to be wary off. Burning a few flags is not going to make it go away.
Sure but if you're an easily led simpleton, then seeing other muslims and particularly religious leaders, condemning them, might just make people think twice about going to join them. The ones that have already joined can either be bombed or shot.
However I don't see the problem here being the religion. The problem is an ideology. Blaming Islam is like blaming Catholicism for the IRA. If the Pope stood up and said it was wrong would not have made it stop. And what is going on with the flag burning is nothing more than a PR stunt.
What we need is local allies to help us fight isil/isis.
Gargamel said:
zygalski said:
No actually he's pretty much bang on.
Remember all Saddam's WMB & the Gulf War brought to you by Dick Cheney & Haliburton? Well we helped arm & train Iraqi forces 10 years earlier. It's all about control of dwindling resources & infrastructure rebuild contracts.
We are suddenly making friends with Iran. I guarantee within 10 years the West will be at war with them, or funding & aiding attacks on their regime.
Conflict & confusion seems to be our goal in the Middle East.
Eesh. Open your eyes.
FFS, we supported Saddam as a bulwark against Iran, remember the Iran, Iraq war ? Iran was a proxy state for Russia and was doing all kinds of deeply unpleasant things.The US took a side at the time which was Iraq. Remember all Saddam's WMB & the Gulf War brought to you by Dick Cheney & Haliburton? Well we helped arm & train Iraqi forces 10 years earlier. It's all about control of dwindling resources & infrastructure rebuild contracts.
We are suddenly making friends with Iran. I guarantee within 10 years the West will be at war with them, or funding & aiding attacks on their regime.
Conflict & confusion seems to be our goal in the Middle East.
Eesh. Open your eyes.
Edited by zygalski on Monday 8th September 07:07
The reason the USA took Iraq's side was because the Iranian people had kicked out the US's puppet leader (The Shah) whose secret police were pretty handy themselves in the "deeply unpleasant things" department. The US supported Saddam in his 10 year war against the Iranians as a result of this. A war during which he regularly used chemical weapons against the Iranians AND Iraqis that he didn't like.
Incidentally the US had overthrown a democratically elected Iranian govt in 1953 and installed The Shah as a dictator. This amongst varios other things, might explain why the Iranians aren't big fans of the US.
It's just something to bear in mind next time Jimbeaux suggests its "our way of life" they hate.
Countdown said:
It's just something to bear in mind next time Jimbeaux suggests its "our way of life" they hate.
Do you genuinely believe that the militants in Syria and Iraq beheading captives and murdering the innocent as well as the Iraqi and Syria forces don't hate "our" way of life? And aren't motivated by that contempt for and wish to change western style societies? Even if they do have other motives.el stovey said:
Sure but if you're an easily led simpleton, then seeing other muslims and particularly religious leaders, condemning them, might just make people think twice about going to join them.
The ones that have already joined can either be bombed or shot.
You really think that would make a difference? The killers down at Woolwich who murdered poor Rigby were recent converts to Islam. History has shown that converts are much more radical than someone born a Muslim.The ones that have already joined can either be bombed or shot.
BillPeart said:
Do you genuinely believe that the militants in Syria and Iraq beheading captives and murdering the innocent as well as the Iraqi and Syria forces don't hate "our" way of life? And aren't motivated by that contempt for and wish to change western style societies? Even if they do have other motives.
I was referring to the Iranians.With regards to ISIS/ISIL/IS they pretty much hate EVERYBODY who doesn't subscribe to their particular brand of fundamentalism. It must be one of the few times when every single country in the world has been united against one organisation.
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