US journalist beheaded by ISIS...

[benjj]

Pesty said:

Cameron off again." They are not Muslims, Islam is the religion of peace."

Can sonebody give him a Koran

Ps I notice they keep calling it isil not Isis or is. Are they on purpose avoiding the word state?

IS: Islamic State
ISIS: Islamic State in Iraq and Syria
ISIL: Islamic State in Iraq and Levant

All one and the same thing.

[Mermaid]

benjj said:

IS: Islamic State
ISIS: Islamic State in Iraq and Syria
ISIL: Islamic State in Iraq and Levant

All one and the same thing.

Less is more for them - they are looking beyond.

[Pesty]

benjj said:

IS: Islamic State
ISIS: Islamic State in Iraq and Syria
ISIL: Islamic State in Iraq and Levant

All one and the same thing.

I know that however they pick isil. Just wondered why they chise that when they call themselves is. Just wondered if it was a conscious decisision so the don't give any credence to the word state.

[Transmitter Man]

Gandahar said:

Like regimes throughout history that have to rely on force and terror they don't last. They last even less time now the world is a lot smaller.

They actually are quite weak in the greater scheme of things, but try to suggest strength by doing what they do. It impresses the individuals in Nigeria or elsewhere but longer term it's a road to nowhere. Say they got their Caliphate , it would be shunned by the world. It would be like Albania but worse. In a land not of milk and honey but dusty scrubland at best and desert at most.

Of course with the religion based fervour at the moment they cannot see all this. Young men notice, young men doing stupid things for older men has been a problem throughout history.

They are screwed already, they do not even know it yet. Society is too far advanced for localised flash backs to religion based olden days.

In the meanwhile though it is painful, as we know, for them to learn the lesson.

Need to see if we can help that other hostage if he is not already dead.

It seems to work reasonably well in Zimbabwe & Belarus, and so so in Syria with Assad & his old man before him 1971 to date is a fairly good innings although he's having a few problems right now

Phil

Edited by Transmitter Man on Sunday 14th September 17:49

[benjj]

Pesty said:

...they call themselves IS.

They call themselves a million and one different things depending on who you ask over there.

ISIL seems to be the US's latest name of choice and most other govs and media outlets seem to be following their lead.

[BlackLabel]

Pesty said:

benjj said:

IS: Islamic State
ISIS: Islamic State in Iraq and Syria
ISIL: Islamic State in Iraq and Levant

All one and the same thing.

I know that however they pick isil. Just wondered why they chise that when they call themselves is. Just wondered if it was a conscious decisision so the don't give any credence to the word state.

There is a theory that the Americans use ISIL instead of ISIS because they don't want to specifically mention Syria. ISIL only changed their name to 'Islamic State' a few months ago so either world leaders just can't be arsed changing from their old habits or there is a conscious decision, as you say, to avoid using the word - perhaps to avoid giving them greater legitimacy or to stop pissing off those who are upset/offended at people using this new name..

I believe their original name in Arabic was Al-Dawla Al-Islamiya fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham - lets just be thankful we don't have to use that.

[Pesty]

benjj said:

Pesty said:

...they call themselves IS.

They call themselves a million and one different things depending on who you ask over there.

ISIL seems to be the US's latest name of choice and most other govs and media outlets seem to be following their lead.

Sorry benjj, reading fail on my part. I see state is still in there.

[Godalmighty83]

Pesty said:

Cameron off again." They are not Muslims, Islam is the religion of peace."

Can sonebody give him a Koran

Ps I notice they keep calling it isil not Isis or is. Are they on purpose avoiding the word state?

A little different but he said 'Islam is A religion of peace', not 'The' religion.

[Pesty]

Yes. Thanks for the correction.

[BlackLabel]

It is disingenuous of Cameron to say "ISIS are not Muslims". It would be far more accurate to say "ISIS do not represent the majority of Muslims". There has never been a definitive and "correct" single interpretation of Islam or perhaps any religion. Yet Cameron seems to think he knows the correct one.

An interesting Huffington Post article on this subject.

Does Islamic State's Brutality Really Have Nothing to Do With Religion?

[Godalmighty83]

BlackLabel said:

It is disingenuous of Cameron to say "ISIS are not Muslims". It would be far more accurate to say "ISIS do not represent the majority of Muslims". There has never been a definitive and "correct" single interpretation of Islam or perhaps any religion. Yet Cameron seems to think he knows the correct one.

I believe the message is more sculptured for physiological purposes, what's the worst thing you could say to a religious nut job? Claim he isn't following his religion. Probably also a message to any people wanting to join up, these people aren't Muslims.

[groucho]

So many apologists! When are we going to wake up? No mosques in this country. We are at war, or will be soon. No room for any religion, yep, I'm racist, I don't like Muslims.

[B17NNS]

groucho said:

I'm racist

That's nothing to be proud of.

[zuby84]

groucho said:

So many apologists! When are we going to wake up? No mosques in this country. We are at war, or will be soon. No room for any religion, yep, I'm racist, I don't like Muslims.

Would you take on a large roofing job given to you by a Muslim?

In any case; I believe you belong on this forum https://www.stormfront.org/forum/f39/ and not Pistonheads.

[supersingle]

I think very soon being a good Muslim is going to be seen as an oxymoron. Like being a good Nazi or a good commie.

Just my 2p

[Muntu]

BlackLabel said:

It is disingenuous of Cameron to say "ISIS are not Muslims". It would be far more accurate to say "ISIS do not represent the majority of Muslims". There has never been a definitive and "correct" single interpretation of Islam or perhaps any religion. Yet Cameron seems to think he knows the correct one.

An interesting Huffington Post article on this subject.

Does Islamic State's Brutality Really Have Nothing to Do With Religion?

Steven Crowder on the subject, with a bit of humour included: http://youtu.be/PyotLRHMOIk

[BlackLabel]

groucho said:

So many apologists! When are we going to wake up? No mosques in this country. We are at war, or will be soon. No room for any religion, yep, I'm racist, I don't like Muslims.

Why?

There are around 3m Muslims in the UK and the vast majority of them hate the ISIS/Al-Q/Islamist type ideology just like any other normal person does.

Yes there is a problem with a significant minority of young Muslim men in the UK who are becoming radicalised with many turning to violence but banning all mosques etc is not only impossible but even if it were possible it would be counter productive.

Mosques and the wider Muslim community should be part of the solution, not the problem. Alienating them all won't get us anywhere.

[zuby84]

ISIS groucho said:

So many apologists! When are we going to wake up? No churches in this country. We are at war, or will be soon. No room for any Christianity, yep, I'm racist, I don't like Christians.

[groucho]

zuby84 said:

Would you take on a large roofing job given to you by a Muslim?

In any case; I believe you belong on this forum https://www.stormfront.org/forum/f39/ and not Pistonheads.

No

[vescaegg]

groucho said:

No

Do the westboro baptist church represent all Christians to you? It's the same as saying IS represent Muslims. They don't.

Both are tiny groups of nutters trying to use 'their' religion for their own causes.