Next EU Meddling Target: Vacuum Cleaners
Discussion
Scuffers said:
exactly, just how much CO2 has been emitted to come up with this bulls
t to start with?
out of interest, Dyson is challenging this in the courts, and before you go off on one, they don't actually make a 1600+W cleaner.
his point is that this does nothing to move clean tech on, and creates just another burden on the industry that will effectively achieve nothing.
As a side, I keep reading wild figure for how much electricity is used per household cleaner, and it;s just total fiction, unless you live in Buck palace or the like, I struggle to see anybody actually has their cleaner running for more than ~1 hour a week, (I mean actually running, not out of the cupboard).
ours is a DC39 has a 1,300W motor, so that's 52x1.3Kw = 67.6Kwh per year ie, some £9 worth of electric (and about 10Kg's of CO2 if you believe the figures)
Whats more is that for at least half the year any surplus power is merely substituting for energy used in heating the house. Its not wasted.t to start with?out of interest, Dyson is challenging this in the courts, and before you go off on one, they don't actually make a 1600+W cleaner.
his point is that this does nothing to move clean tech on, and creates just another burden on the industry that will effectively achieve nothing.
As a side, I keep reading wild figure for how much electricity is used per household cleaner, and it;s just total fiction, unless you live in Buck palace or the like, I struggle to see anybody actually has their cleaner running for more than ~1 hour a week, (I mean actually running, not out of the cupboard).
ours is a DC39 has a 1,300W motor, so that's 52x1.3Kw = 67.6Kwh per year ie, some £9 worth of electric (and about 10Kg's of CO2 if you believe the figures)
Talksteer said:
paranoid airbag said:
Derek Smith said:
JensenA said:
In that case I guess you'd agree with a ban on all cars over 2 litres? Why on earth would anyone need a car with. 4 litre engine?
Why should you think that? There's nothing in my post to suggest that. Why do posters try to prove a point by trying to change what others say?In this case I would expect the difference to be along the lines of: a 4L car is "fun", even if it is inefficient, and since fun can't be quantified, nor can an acceptable fun/£ ratio be defined. The dodgy thing there is the implicit assumption no one derives "fun" from a 2kW vacumn cleaner either.
The key thing to point out is that for fleet purchasers they have effectively outlawed large engined cars. Plus the fleet average regulations will make all manufacturers significantly cut their average fuel economy.
Given the barriers to entry to the car market and that every car manufactured is tested and registered it is possible to write regulations for cars of different sizes and purposes. The fleet average regulations that take into account the size of the company and the average weight of the cars sold which govern what co2 limit for each manufacturer.
For vacuum cleaners it really isn't worth something as complicated hence a simple wattage cap.
It is illogical to suggest that the same applies to cars. There are, as pointed out, other ways of limiting them. It has been done over the years.
Jonny_ said:
As for limiting the power of heating appliances... That's so retarded I struggle to believe even the EU morons could come up with it. Half the output power of your room heater and it has to stay on twice as long to reach the required room temperature. Actually that's very much simplified and it would take more than twice as long due to the ratio of heat losses to heat input.
Given that heating systems must now have a central wall-thermostat, evan when the system is zoned and every rad/room independently controlled, I think it's fair to say the decision makers really do have that little comprehension of how these systems work.The oven one is particularly laughable; lower wattages will work okay but will not use any less energy, rather take longer to heat up (so people will get in the habit of turning them on well in excess of when they need them) and having poor recovery times when door opened etc so you may see them with a form of heat-sinking (using evan more energy to heat up...)
But does it matter? green is our state religion. All countries/cultures have made up silly rules designed to impose on people that they should be controlled, like going to church regularly/following certain customs/wearing a silly costume "makes you a proper person" and it just so happens this is ours today; without it there'd be something different, like islam or catholism or some other twaddle.
Well this "may" make you smile. Despite hovering over a hoover ban...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28910662
Their GPS sats have gone into the wrong orbit....you know the ones that could possibly be used for automated road billing etc,etc.
Now remind me where they were launched from
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28910662
Their GPS sats have gone into the wrong orbit....you know the ones that could possibly be used for automated road billing etc,etc.
Now remind me where they were launched from
thefrog said:
Einion Yrth said:
No, he plainly doesn't but it gave him the opportunity to have an inaccurate and uninformed whine about UKIP, so that's alright.
If UKIP did a fair job of representing facts and figures accurately, I'd give them a lot more credit, but they're unfortunately just another political party with an agenda that needs to be supported by massaged numbers. Anyway, let's exit Europe and see how the mighty Henry would fare in Germany, France and Netherlands where it is currently sold, except it would have to meet their regulations so the net result for Numatic who manufacture it is the same, unless they accept a drop in sales.
As for the CO2 emissions of the UK, per capita or otherwise; if the intent was to reduce CO2 output as per the stated objective the government would have started building nuclear power stations and set aggressive CAFE targets for motor vehicles. They didn't, they passed a load of b
ks legislation subsidising windmills and solar panels instead, so I have to conclude it's all a cynical excuse to tax us while emitting an air of insufferable moral rectitude.Edited by hidetheelephants on Sunday 24th August 04:39
hairykrishna said:
The Yanks seem to manage perfectly well and they're effectively limited to about this much power out of their wall sockets. "Henry"s appear to be 1200W. Given this my guess is that vacuum cleaners are like cheap speakers and the power rating has more to do with marketing than how useful they are.
If legislation was pushing the power below the point where it's possible to make a decent machine then that would be an issue. As it is, I struggle to give a st.
In the States I think a lot of manufacturers tell porkies when it comes to power!If legislation was pushing the power below the point where it's possible to make a decent machine then that would be an issue. As it is, I struggle to give a s
t.We have a Sanitaire (commercial Eureka) that I believe to be 860Watts.
And a Kirby that is 600Watts
The Kirby appears to have 10 times the suction of the Sanitaire.
When it is correctly height adjusted for the carpet the suction makes it difficult to push.
Although that would be silly as it has powered wheels and moves very easily when used correctly.
Funkycoldribena said:
Ooo bit touchy....
You can be for it all you like but it'll catch you out in the end when it takes 5 hours to cook a pie in your EU regulated cooker,you have to wait 2 hours for the Mrs to dry her hair and your beer is limited to 3% Max,don't think its coming?It will,because people like you roll over far too easy.
You can be for it all you like but it'll catch you out in the end when it takes 5 hours to cook a pie in your EU regulated cooker,you have to wait 2 hours for the Mrs to dry her hair and your beer is limited to 3% Max,don't think its coming?It will,because people like you roll over far too easy.
No point taking you seriously until you've sorted that paranoia. Really, that's what you have.
paranoid airbag said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Ooo bit touchy....
You can be for it all you like but it'll catch you out in the end when it takes 5 hours to cook a pie in your EU regulated cooker,you have to wait 2 hours for the Mrs to dry her hair and your beer is limited to 3% Max,don't think its coming?It will,because people like you roll over far too easy.
You can be for it all you like but it'll catch you out in the end when it takes 5 hours to cook a pie in your EU regulated cooker,you have to wait 2 hours for the Mrs to dry her hair and your beer is limited to 3% Max,don't think its coming?It will,because people like you roll over far too easy.
No point taking your type seriously really. Seek psychiatric help for paranoia.
andyroo said:
As a side note for the future, if the same limits are applied to heaters, well--a 900W heater won't be worth using! I don't see how they can get any more efficient at producing heat, so it seems odd to effectively neuter them as devices, particularly when many new-build flats have been fitted with them as standard. When replacement time comes, there will be some cold flats out there!
"Eco-flats" are quite incredibly stupid: using 'leccy will require 3-4x the CO2 of a local gas boiler. Electric cars make some sense because the efficient motor, and efficient plant, make up for the inefficiency of getting the power from plant to car. For a boiler with efficiency approaching 100%... a heat pump might improve on that, and using off-peak electricity helps, but that's it.mybrainhurts said:
paranoid airbag said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Ooo bit touchy....
You can be for it all you like but it'll catch you out in the end when it takes 5 hours to cook a pie in your EU regulated cooker,you have to wait 2 hours for the Mrs to dry her hair and your beer is limited to 3% Max,don't think its coming?It will,because people like you roll over far too easy.
You can be for it all you like but it'll catch you out in the end when it takes 5 hours to cook a pie in your EU regulated cooker,you have to wait 2 hours for the Mrs to dry her hair and your beer is limited to 3% Max,don't think its coming?It will,because people like you roll over far too easy.
No point taking your type seriously really. Seek psychiatric help for paranoia.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope
I also get that if someone thinks some distant person is out to make your life miserable for no good reason, that belief is called "paranoia". As stated I try not to waste my time debating the mentally ill
paranoid airbag said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Ooo bit touchy....
You can be for it all you like but it'll catch you out in the end when it takes 5 hours to cook a pie in your EU regulated cooker,you have to wait 2 hours for the Mrs to dry her hair and your beer is limited to 3% Max,don't think its coming?It will,because people like you roll over far too easy.
You can be for it all you like but it'll catch you out in the end when it takes 5 hours to cook a pie in your EU regulated cooker,you have to wait 2 hours for the Mrs to dry her hair and your beer is limited to 3% Max,don't think its coming?It will,because people like you roll over far too easy.
No point taking you seriously until you've sorted that paranoia. Really, that's what you have.
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