Next EU Meddling Target: Vacuum Cleaners
Discussion
Funkycoldribena said:
Sorry I missed your post,I was burning some piles of old plastic fascia out the back.
Yeah that does kind of back up my "you're a bit thick" hypothesis.(Full explanation for the simple minded: most people like air that isn't fume filled. Demonstrating that the air is filled by fumes when there isn't a regulation stopping someone doing that encourages most people to think there should be some regulation to stop people doing that. Most likely explanation is the person doing that is a spiteful moron.)
Edited by paranoid airbag on Sunday 24th August 16:50
We have two Henrys, the newish ones with the soft start. Or should I say used to have the soft start 
Bloody annoying waiting for it to decide it can give me full power, should be called Scotty.
Any way, I removed the soft start bull and then removed the filter that comes with the rubber seal around it, popped in a good quality bag and away we go. Fantastic, sucks like I wish my wife would.
We had a Hoover One once, I bought it based on the suction watts, can't remember where from now but one seller did actually give their suction power. It broke after ab out two years and when it did work you'd turn it on and it would stick to the floor the suction was so strong.
Bloody annoying waiting for it to decide it can give me full power, should be called Scotty.Any way, I removed the soft start bull and then removed the filter that comes with the rubber seal around it, popped in a good quality bag and away we go. Fantastic, sucks like I wish my wife would.
We had a Hoover One once, I bought it based on the suction watts, can't remember where from now but one seller did actually give their suction power. It broke after ab out two years and when it did work you'd turn it on and it would stick to the floor the suction was so strong.
I have a Henry too
Dunno its power capacity he just works.
As regards the "ruling" it just seems that its an unimportant unnecessary piece of legislation whilst other more pressing matters are facing us. It's not me switching off a phone charger or putting in a low wattage bulb that really affects the planet/ ozone layer/ resources etc there are much bigger contributors to it than little old me (though I do have low wattage bulbs and the like )
Dunno its power capacity he just works.
As regards the "ruling" it just seems that its an unimportant unnecessary piece of legislation whilst other more pressing matters are facing us. It's not me switching off a phone charger or putting in a low wattage bulb that really affects the planet/ ozone layer/ resources etc there are much bigger contributors to it than little old me (though I do have low wattage bulbs and the like )
paranoid airbag said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Sorry I missed your post,I was burning some piles of old plastic fascia out the back.
Yeah that does kind of back up my "you're a bit thick" hypothesis.(Full explanation for the simple minded: most people like air that isn't fume filled. Demonstrating that the air is filled by fumes when there isn't a regulation stopping someone doing that encourages most people to think there should be some regulation to stop people doing that. Most likely explanation is the person doing that is a spiteful moron.)
Edited by paranoid airbag on Sunday 24th August 16:50
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B008HEPUIS/ref=...
Has anyone looked at the directive regards ovens and are they able to make sense of it?
http://www.tuv-sud.cn/cn-en/resource-centre/public...
http://www.tuv-sud.cn/cn-en/resource-centre/public...
Oakey said:
Has anyone looked at the directive regards ovens and are they able to make sense of it?
http://www.tuv-sud.cn/cn-en/resource-centre/public...
read this:http://www.tuv-sud.cn/cn-en/resource-centre/public...
http://www.eup-network.de/fileadmin/user_upload/Hi...
it goes into the test criteria
I welcome this ruling (as a vacuum cleaner collector)
The problem with modern 2000w+ machines is they have s
te filtration. Most of the 'cyclonic' machines (that are not dyson) have a pleated filter firectly in the airflow. This clogs up fast, since the cyclone systems used are as good as they can get it without infringing the many many patents filed by Dyson, who do sue regularly.
Machines like this Plastivac 1 and this Plastivac 2 need the powerful motor to overcome the clogging of the filter, so the suction stays adequate when full.
With this new ruling (which is only for 1600w at the moment, lowering again to 900w in 2017), hopefully machines will have better filtration and airflow paths to make the most of the reduced wattage.
Most of the machines in my collection are 400-800w, and are perfectly fine, infact better than the cheap chinese screamers as thought was put into everything, not just power. A Hoover Turbopower 1 is a dirty air vacuum, and only has 410w of power. However, due to an excellent brushroll, combined with well thought out airflow paths results in a better clean, as it picks the carpet up gently, beats and sweeps the dirt out (remember 'Beats, as it sweeps, as it cleans'?) and carries it away easily. The Hoover Hurricane linked to above, once refurbished so it actually worked, just glued itself down to the floor, and didnt get much deep down rubbish out at all as the suction was just too strong for the cheap brushroll to do anything.
Numatic have re-designed their Henry and other machines already, and speaking to fellow collectors who have them they work just as well as the old 1200w motors did. But then Numatic have always got it right as they have large bags, big free flowing filters and the system is well sealed.
Dyson are laughing at the moment, as their machines are all under 1600w already, and have the better cyclone design, due in part to the millions invested, and ruthless suing of anyone who tries to better it. This machine here Hoover Vortex was pulled from sale after a few months as Dyson sued Hoover to kingdom come over certain aspects of the design. Hoover bodged it about and re-branded it as a Vortex Power, Whirlwind and other names, resulting in machines mainly rebadged from America. Most modern bagless vacs are sold under many different brands, Vax are very guilty of this, there's just no R&D anymore, something which will hopefully make a re-appearance now raw horsepower has vanished
This machine is from 1986 U1222 Scheme A and has the 410w dirty fan design I mentioned earlier. This machine 1977 Electrolux 504 has a clean fan design, but still only 510w. Wheras this one Hoover Vortex is 2200w, and after that very video was filthy inside, even where it shouldnt be. Took ages to clean it up again ready for sale!
Oh, and Sebo are good, but then so were vacuums back in the day... Hoover 652 vs Sebo Automatic X1!
The problem with modern 2000w+ machines is they have s
te filtration. Most of the 'cyclonic' machines (that are not dyson) have a pleated filter firectly in the airflow. This clogs up fast, since the cyclone systems used are as good as they can get it without infringing the many many patents filed by Dyson, who do sue regularly.Machines like this Plastivac 1 and this Plastivac 2 need the powerful motor to overcome the clogging of the filter, so the suction stays adequate when full.
With this new ruling (which is only for 1600w at the moment, lowering again to 900w in 2017), hopefully machines will have better filtration and airflow paths to make the most of the reduced wattage.
Most of the machines in my collection are 400-800w, and are perfectly fine, infact better than the cheap chinese screamers as thought was put into everything, not just power. A Hoover Turbopower 1 is a dirty air vacuum, and only has 410w of power. However, due to an excellent brushroll, combined with well thought out airflow paths results in a better clean, as it picks the carpet up gently, beats and sweeps the dirt out (remember 'Beats, as it sweeps, as it cleans'?) and carries it away easily. The Hoover Hurricane linked to above, once refurbished so it actually worked, just glued itself down to the floor, and didnt get much deep down rubbish out at all as the suction was just too strong for the cheap brushroll to do anything.
Numatic have re-designed their Henry and other machines already, and speaking to fellow collectors who have them they work just as well as the old 1200w motors did. But then Numatic have always got it right as they have large bags, big free flowing filters and the system is well sealed.
Dyson are laughing at the moment, as their machines are all under 1600w already, and have the better cyclone design, due in part to the millions invested, and ruthless suing of anyone who tries to better it. This machine here Hoover Vortex was pulled from sale after a few months as Dyson sued Hoover to kingdom come over certain aspects of the design. Hoover bodged it about and re-branded it as a Vortex Power, Whirlwind and other names, resulting in machines mainly rebadged from America. Most modern bagless vacs are sold under many different brands, Vax are very guilty of this, there's just no R&D anymore, something which will hopefully make a re-appearance now raw horsepower has vanished
This machine is from 1986 U1222 Scheme A and has the 410w dirty fan design I mentioned earlier. This machine 1977 Electrolux 504 has a clean fan design, but still only 510w. Wheras this one Hoover Vortex is 2200w, and after that very video was filthy inside, even where it shouldnt be. Took ages to clean it up again ready for sale!
Oh, and Sebo are good, but then so were vacuums back in the day... Hoover 652 vs Sebo Automatic X1!
Edited by beko1987 on Monday 25th August 16:21
I must be the only person that dislikes their Henry. He's OK for hoovering out the car (not very often - my cars are filthy inside and out 
), and other dirty jobs. But around the house? Give me strength. If the silly bugger isn't getting stuck behind a chair leg, he's tripping over every door threshold, or his own flex. I turn around to see what's holding him up and he just gives me that stupid retarded grin. It actually makes me narky just writing about him. When it's not spontaneously disconnecting itself his pipe knocks the paint off the wall, and his black plastic attachments leave skid-marks on the skirting boards. He only sucks, he doesn't beat, so he's not that good on carpets, IMO. Actually he's also OK for polished floors and deep pile rugs, I grudgingly admit, but only when when he's not having a quick lie down
He's supplanted now – we have a nice SEBO which cleans properly, and has a turbo-beater attachment for use on the stairs, which makes a nice 'turbo' sound. But the SEBO cost as much as a small second-hand car so I resent that slightly as well.
I've no idea what the wattage of either of the appliances is.
), and other dirty jobs. But around the house? Give me strength. If the silly bugger isn't getting stuck behind a chair leg, he's tripping over every door threshold, or his own flex. I turn around to see what's holding him up and he just gives me that stupid retarded grin. It actually makes me narky just writing about him. When it's not spontaneously disconnecting itself his pipe knocks the paint off the wall, and his black plastic attachments leave skid-marks on the skirting boards. He only sucks, he doesn't beat, so he's not that good on carpets, IMO. Actually he's also OK for polished floors and deep pile rugs, I grudgingly admit, but only when when he's not having a quick lie downHe's supplanted now – we have a nice SEBO which cleans properly, and has a turbo-beater attachment for use on the stairs, which makes a nice 'turbo' sound. But the SEBO cost as much as a small second-hand car so I resent that slightly as well.
I've no idea what the wattage of either of the appliances is.
Yertis said:
rs1952 said:
Tim Vine wants his joke back
I actually made that quip up myself, nevertheless (having researched 'Tim Vine') I shall email it off to him forthwith.Have you taken up joke-spotting, with the demise of steam?
beko1987 said:
I welcome this ruling (as a vacuum cleaner collector)
The problem with modern 2000w+ machines is they have ste filtration. Most of the 'cyclonic' machines (that are not dyson) have a pleated filter firectly in the airflow. This clogs up fast, since the cyclone systems used are as good as they can get it without infringing the many many patents filed by Dyson, who do sue regularly.
Machines like this Plastivac 1 and this Plastivac 2 need the powerful motor to overcome the clogging of the filter, so the suction stays adequate when full.
With this new ruling (which is only for 1600w at the moment, lowering again to 900w in 2017), hopefully machines will have better filtration and airflow paths to make the most of the reduced wattage.
Most of the machines in my collection are 400-800w, and are perfectly fine, infact better than the cheap chinese screamers as thought was put into everything, not just power. A Hoover Turbopower 1 is a dirty air vacuum, and only has 410w of power. However, due to an excellent brushroll, combined with well thought out airflow paths results in a better clean, as it picks the carpet up gently, beats and sweeps the dirt out (remember 'Beats, as it sweeps, as it cleans'?) and carries it away easily. The Hoover Hurricane linked to above, once refurbished so it actually worked, just glued itself down to the floor, and didnt get much deep down rubbish out at all as the suction was just too strong for the cheap brushroll to do anything.
Numatic have re-designed their Henry and other machines already, and speaking to fellow collectors who have them they work just as well as the old 1200w motors did. But then Numatic have always got it right as they have large bags, big free flowing filters and the system is well sealed.
Dyson are laughing at the moment, as their machines are all under 1600w already, and have the better cyclone design, due in part to the millions invested, and ruthless suing of anyone who tries to better it. This machine here Hoover Vortex was pulled from sale after a few months as Dyson sued Hoover to kingdom come over certain aspects of the design. Hoover bodged it about and re-branded it as a Vortex Power, Whirlwind and other names, resulting in machines mainly rebadged from America. Most modern bagless vacs are sold under many different brands, Vax are very guilty of this, there's just no R&D anymore, something which will hopefully make a re-appearance now raw horsepower has vanished
This machine is from 1986 U1222 Scheme A and has the 410w dirty fan design I mentioned earlier. This machine 1977 Electrolux 504 has a clean fan design, but still only 510w. Wheras this one Hoover Vortex is 2200w, and after that very video was filthy inside, even where it shouldnt be. Took ages to clean it up again ready for sale!
Oh, and Sebo are good, but then so were vacuums back in the day... Hoover 652 vs Sebo Automatic X1!
Are you always in the kitchen at parties? The problem with modern 2000w+ machines is they have s
te filtration. Most of the 'cyclonic' machines (that are not dyson) have a pleated filter firectly in the airflow. This clogs up fast, since the cyclone systems used are as good as they can get it without infringing the many many patents filed by Dyson, who do sue regularly.Machines like this Plastivac 1 and this Plastivac 2 need the powerful motor to overcome the clogging of the filter, so the suction stays adequate when full.
With this new ruling (which is only for 1600w at the moment, lowering again to 900w in 2017), hopefully machines will have better filtration and airflow paths to make the most of the reduced wattage.
Most of the machines in my collection are 400-800w, and are perfectly fine, infact better than the cheap chinese screamers as thought was put into everything, not just power. A Hoover Turbopower 1 is a dirty air vacuum, and only has 410w of power. However, due to an excellent brushroll, combined with well thought out airflow paths results in a better clean, as it picks the carpet up gently, beats and sweeps the dirt out (remember 'Beats, as it sweeps, as it cleans'?) and carries it away easily. The Hoover Hurricane linked to above, once refurbished so it actually worked, just glued itself down to the floor, and didnt get much deep down rubbish out at all as the suction was just too strong for the cheap brushroll to do anything.
Numatic have re-designed their Henry and other machines already, and speaking to fellow collectors who have them they work just as well as the old 1200w motors did. But then Numatic have always got it right as they have large bags, big free flowing filters and the system is well sealed.
Dyson are laughing at the moment, as their machines are all under 1600w already, and have the better cyclone design, due in part to the millions invested, and ruthless suing of anyone who tries to better it. This machine here Hoover Vortex was pulled from sale after a few months as Dyson sued Hoover to kingdom come over certain aspects of the design. Hoover bodged it about and re-branded it as a Vortex Power, Whirlwind and other names, resulting in machines mainly rebadged from America. Most modern bagless vacs are sold under many different brands, Vax are very guilty of this, there's just no R&D anymore, something which will hopefully make a re-appearance now raw horsepower has vanished
This machine is from 1986 U1222 Scheme A and has the 410w dirty fan design I mentioned earlier. This machine 1977 Electrolux 504 has a clean fan design, but still only 510w. Wheras this one Hoover Vortex is 2200w, and after that very video was filthy inside, even where it shouldnt be. Took ages to clean it up again ready for sale!
Oh, and Sebo are good, but then so were vacuums back in the day... Hoover 652 vs Sebo Automatic X1!
Edited by beko1987 on Monday 25th August 16:21
markcoznottz said:
beko1987 said:
I welcome this ruling (as a vacuum cleaner collector)
The problem with modern 2000w+ machines is they have ste filtration. Most of the 'cyclonic' machines (that are not dyson) have a pleated filter firectly in the airflow. This clogs up fast, since the cyclone systems used are as good as they can get it without infringing the many many patents filed by Dyson, who do sue regularly.
Machines like this Plastivac 1 and this Plastivac 2 need the powerful motor to overcome the clogging of the filter, so the suction stays adequate when full.
With this new ruling (which is only for 1600w at the moment, lowering again to 900w in 2017), hopefully machines will have better filtration and airflow paths to make the most of the reduced wattage.
Most of the machines in my collection are 400-800w, and are perfectly fine, infact better than the cheap chinese screamers as thought was put into everything, not just power. A Hoover Turbopower 1 is a dirty air vacuum, and only has 410w of power. However, due to an excellent brushroll, combined with well thought out airflow paths results in a better clean, as it picks the carpet up gently, beats and sweeps the dirt out (remember 'Beats, as it sweeps, as it cleans'?) and carries it away easily. The Hoover Hurricane linked to above, once refurbished so it actually worked, just glued itself down to the floor, and didnt get much deep down rubbish out at all as the suction was just too strong for the cheap brushroll to do anything.
Numatic have re-designed their Henry and other machines already, and speaking to fellow collectors who have them they work just as well as the old 1200w motors did. But then Numatic have always got it right as they have large bags, big free flowing filters and the system is well sealed.
Dyson are laughing at the moment, as their machines are all under 1600w already, and have the better cyclone design, due in part to the millions invested, and ruthless suing of anyone who tries to better it. This machine here Hoover Vortex was pulled from sale after a few months as Dyson sued Hoover to kingdom come over certain aspects of the design. Hoover bodged it about and re-branded it as a Vortex Power, Whirlwind and other names, resulting in machines mainly rebadged from America. Most modern bagless vacs are sold under many different brands, Vax are very guilty of this, there's just no R&D anymore, something which will hopefully make a re-appearance now raw horsepower has vanished
This machine is from 1986 U1222 Scheme A and has the 410w dirty fan design I mentioned earlier. This machine 1977 Electrolux 504 has a clean fan design, but still only 510w. Wheras this one Hoover Vortex is 2200w, and after that very video was filthy inside, even where it shouldnt be. Took ages to clean it up again ready for sale!
Oh, and Sebo are good, but then so were vacuums back in the day... Hoover 652 vs Sebo Automatic X1!
Are you always in the kitchen at parties? The problem with modern 2000w+ machines is they have s
te filtration. Most of the 'cyclonic' machines (that are not dyson) have a pleated filter firectly in the airflow. This clogs up fast, since the cyclone systems used are as good as they can get it without infringing the many many patents filed by Dyson, who do sue regularly.Machines like this Plastivac 1 and this Plastivac 2 need the powerful motor to overcome the clogging of the filter, so the suction stays adequate when full.
With this new ruling (which is only for 1600w at the moment, lowering again to 900w in 2017), hopefully machines will have better filtration and airflow paths to make the most of the reduced wattage.
Most of the machines in my collection are 400-800w, and are perfectly fine, infact better than the cheap chinese screamers as thought was put into everything, not just power. A Hoover Turbopower 1 is a dirty air vacuum, and only has 410w of power. However, due to an excellent brushroll, combined with well thought out airflow paths results in a better clean, as it picks the carpet up gently, beats and sweeps the dirt out (remember 'Beats, as it sweeps, as it cleans'?) and carries it away easily. The Hoover Hurricane linked to above, once refurbished so it actually worked, just glued itself down to the floor, and didnt get much deep down rubbish out at all as the suction was just too strong for the cheap brushroll to do anything.
Numatic have re-designed their Henry and other machines already, and speaking to fellow collectors who have them they work just as well as the old 1200w motors did. But then Numatic have always got it right as they have large bags, big free flowing filters and the system is well sealed.
Dyson are laughing at the moment, as their machines are all under 1600w already, and have the better cyclone design, due in part to the millions invested, and ruthless suing of anyone who tries to better it. This machine here Hoover Vortex was pulled from sale after a few months as Dyson sued Hoover to kingdom come over certain aspects of the design. Hoover bodged it about and re-branded it as a Vortex Power, Whirlwind and other names, resulting in machines mainly rebadged from America. Most modern bagless vacs are sold under many different brands, Vax are very guilty of this, there's just no R&D anymore, something which will hopefully make a re-appearance now raw horsepower has vanished
This machine is from 1986 U1222 Scheme A and has the 410w dirty fan design I mentioned earlier. This machine 1977 Electrolux 504 has a clean fan design, but still only 510w. Wheras this one Hoover Vortex is 2200w, and after that very video was filthy inside, even where it shouldnt be. Took ages to clean it up again ready for sale!
Oh, and Sebo are good, but then so were vacuums back in the day... Hoover 652 vs Sebo Automatic X1!
Edited by beko1987 on Monday 25th August 16:21
Yertis said:
rs1952 said:
Tim Vine wants his joke back
I actually made that quip up myself, nevertheless (having researched 'Tim Vine') I shall email it off to him forthwith. Yertis said:
Have you taken up joke-spotting, with the demise of steam?
I was joke-spotting during the days of steam. And using most of 'em in my days in entertainment 1969-94... Yertis said:
I must be the only person that dislikes their Henry. He's OK for hoovering out the car (not very often - my cars are filthy inside and out ), and other dirty jobs. But around the house? Give me strength. If the silly bugger isn't getting stuck behind a chair leg, he's tripping over every door threshold, or his own flex. I turn around to see what's holding him up and he just gives me that stupid retarded grin. It actually makes me narky just writing about him. When it's not spontaneously disconnecting itself his pipe knocks the paint off the wall, and his black plastic attachments leave skid-marks on the skirting boards. He only sucks, he doesn't beat, so he's not that good on carpets, IMO. Actually he's also OK for polished floors and deep pile rugs, I grudgingly admit, but only when when he's not having a quick lie down
He's supplanted now – we have a nice SEBO which cleans properly, and has a turbo-beater attachment for use on the stairs, which makes a nice 'turbo' sound. But the SEBO cost as much as a small second-hand car so I resent that slightly as well.
I've no idea what the wattage of either of the appliances is.
About to buy a new cleaner. Which SEBO do you have? Range looks a bit daunting!), and other dirty jobs. But around the house? Give me strength. If the silly bugger isn't getting stuck behind a chair leg, he's tripping over every door threshold, or his own flex. I turn around to see what's holding him up and he just gives me that stupid retarded grin. It actually makes me narky just writing about him. When it's not spontaneously disconnecting itself his pipe knocks the paint off the wall, and his black plastic attachments leave skid-marks on the skirting boards. He only sucks, he doesn't beat, so he's not that good on carpets, IMO. Actually he's also OK for polished floors and deep pile rugs, I grudgingly admit, but only when when he's not having a quick lie downHe's supplanted now – we have a nice SEBO which cleans properly, and has a turbo-beater attachment for use on the stairs, which makes a nice 'turbo' sound. But the SEBO cost as much as a small second-hand car so I resent that slightly as well.
I've no idea what the wattage of either of the appliances is.
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