Suicide by train - with a terrible twist.

[Mr Trophy]

Fotic said:

That makes it sounds like loads of trains are coming in each day with body parts all over them.

About 3-4 a week.

[Otispunkmeyer]

thats absolutely terrible

but not as terrible as what I saw on live leak which was a guy who had been run over by a train, severed his legs off at the pelvis, yet he was still alive! laying there wondering what the fk to do!

Not sure how he was still alive, I would have though incredible blood loss would see him off quickly, but I can only presume various arteries were pressed shut by the pressure of the train wheels!

[McWigglebum4th]

Well the last thing that went through his mind was his ex

[Legend83]

Otispunkmeyer said:

thats absolutely terrible

but not as terrible as what I saw on live leak which was a guy who had been run over by a train, severed his legs off at the pelvis, yet he was still alive! laying there wondering what the fk to do!

Not sure how he was still alive, I would have though incredible blood loss would see him off quickly, but I can only presume various arteries were pressed shut by the pressure of the train wheels!

Question - why do you watch st like that?!

[W124Bob]

It's traumatic enough killing a total stranger(involved in 3 in 36 years), but to have to deal with killing an ex and be totally powerless to prevent it is something she may never fully recover from. I have had colleagues in the past who have been in this situation but we tend to rationalize it by using "they wanted to do it" argument. However to have killed someone very personal to yourself may just finish a career, not to mention the longterm affects it will probably have on this woman's mental health. It's no longer classed as trespass in the eyes of the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board either so the only payoff she may get if she does not return to driving is what First Scotrail payout in ill health payoff. If she is an ASLEF member I will try to update if possible. Personally I have absolutely no sympathy, there's BTP Fire brigade, NR staff, the driver and manager from the train company on site, plus guard and passengers so maybe 100 or so directly affected never mind family and friends, utterly selfish.

[Fartomatic5000]

Legend83 said:

Otispunkmeyer said:

thats absolutely terrible

but not as terrible as what I saw on live leak which was a guy who had been run over by a train, severed his legs off at the pelvis, yet he was still alive! laying there wondering what the fk to do!

Not sure how he was still alive, I would have though incredible blood loss would see him off quickly, but I can only presume various arteries were pressed shut by the pressure of the train wheels!

Question - why do you watch st like that?!

I find it educational. It may be useful to know how other countries deal with the injured. In the above case Otispunkmeyer is talking about, the witnesses stood around, some finding it amusing, and most taking pictures/video on their phone etc.

I've seen one guy taking part in an acrobatics display landing on his head. The instincts of the first guys who came to help probably killed him as they tried to get him back on his feet, broken neck and all.

I've seen a guy getting electrocuted. The instincts of the helpers also killed them (by electrocution) as they tried to move the first guy away from the live wire.

Education is what's lacking in some countries. Some people don't know how to help so they do nothing, not even comforting the injured. Some want to help but do entirely the wrong thing and end up making the situation much worse. I'd like to think that because of liveleak some lives may be saved as the first responders will know what to do and what not to do.

[vixen1700]

Fartomatic5000 said:

In the above case Otispunkmeyer is talking about, the witnesses stood around, some finding it amusing, and most taking pictures/video on their phone etc.

Christ, that's really depressing reading. What is wrong with people?

[Impasse]

W124Bob said:

It's traumatic enough killing a total stranger(involved in 3 in 36 years), but to have to deal with killing an ex and be totally powerless to prevent it is something she may never fully recover from. I have had colleagues in the past who have been in this situation but we tend to rationalize it by using "they wanted to do it" argument. However to have killed someone very personal to yourself may just finish a career, not to mention the longterm affects it will probably have on this woman's mental health. It's no longer classed as trespass in the eyes of the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board either so the only payoff she may get if she does not return to driving is what First Scotrail payout in ill health payoff. If she is an ASLEF member I will try to update if possible. Personally I have absolutely no sympathy, there's BTP Fire brigade, NR staff, the driver and manager from the train company on site, plus guard and passengers so maybe 100 or so directly affected never mind family and friends, utterly selfish.

So you sympathise with one person who may or may not have mental health issues but not another who definitely did. How so?

[Legend83]

Fartomatic5000 said:

I find it educational. It may be useful to know how other countries deal with the injured. In the above case Otispunkmeyer is talking about, the witnesses stood around, some finding it amusing, and most taking pictures/video on their phone etc.

I've seen one guy taking part in an acrobatics display landing on his head. The instincts of the first guys who came to help probably killed him as they tried to get him back on his feet, broken neck and all.

I've seen a guy getting electrocuted. The instincts of the helpers also killed them (by electrocution) as they tried to move the first guy away from the live wire.

Education is what's lacking in some countries. Some people don't know how to help so they do nothing, not even comforting the injured. Some want to help but do entirely the wrong thing and end up making the situation much worse. I'd like to think that because of liveleak some lives may be saved as the first responders will know what to do and what not to do.

I think you would be in the minority. I think most watch these things to satisfy some morbid curiosity. I am not against free choice to watch these things and if something about war with graphic images comes up on the news I won't turn it off, but I don't actively seek this sort of footage out.

I don't think many people who watch this sort of thing sit down and make notes about how they could have made the situation better...

[turbobloke]

Impasse said:

W124Bob said:

It's traumatic enough killing a total stranger(involved in 3 in 36 years), but to have to deal with killing an ex and be totally powerless to prevent it is something she may never fully recover from. I have had colleagues in the past who have been in this situation but we tend to rationalize it by using "they wanted to do it" argument. However to have killed someone very personal to yourself may just finish a career, not to mention the longterm affects it will probably have on this woman's mental health. It's no longer classed as trespass in the eyes of the Criminal Injuries Compensation Board either so the only payoff she may get if she does not return to driving is what First Scotrail payout in ill health payoff. If she is an ASLEF member I will try to update if possible. Personally I have absolutely no sympathy, there's BTP Fire brigade, NR staff, the driver and manager from the train company on site, plus guard and passengers so maybe 100 or so directly affected never mind family and friends, utterly selfish.

So you sympathise with one person who may or may not have mental health issues but not another who definitely did. How so?

Reading that, my guess would be that the mental health issues of one party - or up to 100 in total - would not have arisen but for a selfish act by another singular party regardless of their reasons (or lack of them) for acting as they did. Consequently the sum total of mental health issues increased rather than decreased after the incident. Not wishing to speak for W124Bob who may be along soon to give a totally different take on it.

[Impasse]

turbobloke said:

Reading that, my guess would be that the mental health issues of one party - or up to 100 in total - would not have arisen but for a selfish act by another singular party regardless of their reasons (or lack of them) for ating as they did. Consequently the sum total of mental health issues increased rather than decreased after the incident. Not wishing to speak for W124Bob who may be along soon to give a totally different take on it.

Maybe, it just seems odd to reserve sympathy or even understanding of mental health for those who haven't even been diagnosed with the illness yet. Whereas one chap, who suffered such a large trauma that normal everyday functions of his conciousness were bypassed making him carry out an action which any (mentally) healthy person would deem unusual, is being lambasted.
You can't call his actions selfish as you're judging his them from a position of "normality". His scale of priorities were utterly askew to those of good mental health. You may as well criticise a cold sufferer for sneezing.

There is a total misunderstanding of those who suffer poor mental health.

[KTF]

Otispunkmeyer said:

I can only presume various arteries were pressed shut by the pressure of the train wheels!

I believe this is what happens. The bit of the wheel (excuse the technical terms) that goes inside the rail does the chopping and the flat bit that goes on the rail rolls over the top to seal everything up.

Plenty of weight in the train to press everything together.

[Einion Yrth]

KTF said:

I believe this is what happens. The bit of the wheel (excuse the technical terms) that goes inside the rail does the chopping and the flat bit that goes on the rail rolls over the top to seal everything up.

Plenty of weight in the train to press everything together.

That would be the flange (stop sniggering at the back).

[THX]

Impasse said:

Maybe, it just seems odd to reserve sympathy or even understanding of mental health for those who haven't even been diagnosed with the illness yet. Whereas one chap, who suffered such a large trauma that normal everyday functions of his conciousness were bypassed making him carry out an action which any (mentally) healthy person would deem unusual, is being lambasted.
You can't call his actions selfish as you're judging his them from a position of "normality". His scale of priorities were utterly askew to those of good mental health. You may as well criticise a cold sufferer for sneezing.

There is a total misunderstanding of those who suffer poor mental health.

+1.

Good show.

[Einion Yrth]

However Mr. Wells is now well past caring whereas Miss Macdonald and the others will have to live with it for the rest of their lives.

[Impasse]

Einion Yrth said:

However Mr. Wells is now well past caring whereas Miss Macdonald and the others will have to live with it for the rest of their lives.

Let's hope they get the help and support they require so the cycle doesn't continue. The system has already let down Wells, it would be tragic and indicative of society's comprehension of mental health if another suicide were to occur due to this.

[W124Bob]

As a fellow train driver all I'm saying is my sympathies lie with those left to clear up and deal with the mess, he wasn't so upset that he just stood in front of any train. I certain amount of preplanning indicates spite and malice. I attended an inquest many years ago in which a young lad walked out of a mental institution straight down to local line and in front of train. The system(20 years ago)failed him, he came from a caring family,had no drug issues just simply a lot of mental health problems, people like that will get my sympathy but certainly not this guy. Train drivers statistically have a 1 in 3 chance of at least 1 fatality in their careers, I can't think of any ordinary jobs where killing someone is is part of the job.

[jamiehamy]

You'd have thought some people might be a bit more enlightened following the news about Robin Williams, but clearly not.

For anyone making jokes, laughing and criticising - I hope that you never ever find yourself in such a mental state that would would consider killing yourself. I would hope that someone will stop you, help you, support and understand you.

But most of all - regardless of your sick jibes, I hope that in reality you would do your best to stop someone ending their life. - edit - and not be so quick to pass judgement. It's not for us to judge, just act as good human beings.

[turbobloke]

Impasse said:

There is a total misunderstanding of those who suffer poor mental health.

If total then that's surprising as we're told that 1 in 4 of us will experience mental health problems each year so after a few decades of life's rich tapestry that ought to catch quite a slice of the population. Clearly there are different levels but a basic understanding is just that.

[Fotic]

Mr Trophy said:

Fotic said:

That makes it sounds like loads of trains are coming in each day with body parts all over them.

About 3-4 a week.

That is a surprise!