Suicide by train - with a terrible twist.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Legend83 said:

Otispunkmeyer said:

thats absolutely terrible

but not as terrible as what I saw on live leak which was a guy who had been run over by a train, severed his legs off at the pelvis, yet he was still alive! laying there wondering what the fk to do!

Not sure how he was still alive, I would have though incredible blood loss would see him off quickly, but I can only presume various arteries were pressed shut by the pressure of the train wheels!

Question - why do you watch st like that?!

To be honest I didn't go looking...I went on LL to find something else and that was on the main page. Curiosity killed the cat. I didn't watch much of it because it made me feel ill. There wasn't much if any gore though. Just a guy lying there with only the top of his body left!

Worse was the rather blase attitude of everyone around him. All just standing, staring. Some videoing it, others finding it amusing. But, not sure what anyone can do for someone like that.

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Thursday 21st August 17:17

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jamiehamy said:

You'd have thought some people might be a bit more enlightened following the news about Robin Williams, but clearly not.

For anyone making jokes, laughing and criticising - I hope that you never ever find yourself in such a mental state that would would consider killing yourself. I would hope that someone will stop you, help you, support and understand you.

But most of all - regardless of your sick jibes, I hope that in reality you would do your best to stop someone ending their life. - edit - and not be so quick to pass judgement. It's not for us to judge, just act as good human beings.

Well said that man.

[MajorProblem]

Having been on the railways for over 13 years now we get about 3 a month on busy routes.

The worst ones are where they do it in stations in front of all the public.

[Hilts]

There was a guy local to me picked up a girl after a night out in his car, crashed, she was killed. A few months later he threw himself in front of a train and dieded.

That is all.

[Jasandjules]

Anyone killing themselves must be going through hell to even consider it.

I remember a few years ago a local area had a suicide by train. It was a young girl. The next year (anniversary) the father did the same thing at the same place. I can't recall if the brother then did himself the next year, but IIRC the mother was alone after that. Tragic.

[Sheepshanks]

Fotic said:

Mr Trophy said:

Fotic said:

That makes it sounds like loads of trains are coming in each day with body parts all over them.

About 3-4 a week.

That is a surprise!

5 per week in 2013 - 278 in total.

Samaritans are training thousands of railway staff in how to handle approaches by potential suicidees - there are many hundreds of those per year.

[MajorProblem]

It's not always the train that ends up covered in body parts either. We had one guy change his mind tried to jump out the way the train struck him and threw him into a signal post. Not fun having someone who's about 80% dead stuck to a post.

[John D.]

bhstewie said:

I was always told that if you stand in front of a train you mean it, it isn't a cry for help or a "dramatic gesture" you do it because you want to die.

Who told you that then?

[Pit Pony]

Impasse said:

Poor bloke. Must have had a mental illness to make that choice.

I've altered your post to say what I see.

It's a conversation in the persons head that says "I'll kill myself. That will really show them."

or maybe it's the One that says "I'm a fking loser, so I'm going to save the world from having to look at my loser face any longer"

Whatever, it's always a case of getting reality totally out of phase with your perception.

We all know one or 2 people who have killed themselves, and seeing close hand what happened to a neighbour's family (4 kids under 7 years old and a loving wife), when he hung himself, had a big impact on how I think about things.

[Impasse]

Pit Pony said:

I've altered your post to say what I see.

It's a conversation in the persons head that says "I'll kill myself. That will really show them."

or maybe it's the One that says "I'm a fking loser, so I'm going to save the world from having to look at my loser face any longer"

Whatever, it's always a case of getting reality totally out of phase with your perception.

We all know one or 2 people who have killed themselves, and seeing close hand what happened to a neighbour's family (4 kids under 7 years old and a loving wife), when he hung himself, had a big impact on how I think about things.

I'm not sure this chap will have had that much clarity or even a logic process which will have processed those types of thoughts. Unless you've trodden that path it's pretty much impossible to comprehend the sense of relief and closure that making such a decision brings.

It becomes your sole focus and the planning is the best distraction there is from the turmoil. As a way of extinguishing the hurt and pain it's the only sensible solution. Counseling, pills, sleep? All temporary. And you know that. The NHS and science don't offer a permanent remedy.

To suddenly then not only have a definitive end, but something which requires brain activity away from regurgitating the thoughts of your angst is the best medicine.

[TheInternet]

W124Bob said:

It's traumatic enough killing a total stranger(involved in 3 in 36 years), but to have to deal with killing an ex and be totally powerless to prevent it is something she may never fully recover from. I have had colleagues in the past who have been in this situation but we tend to rationalize it by using "they wanted to do it" argument. However to have killed someone very personal to you...

You make it sound like the drivers have an opportunity to prevent it and are somehow responsible.

[Wills2]

THX said:

Impasse said:

Maybe, it just seems odd to reserve sympathy or even understanding of mental health for those who haven't even been diagnosed with the illness yet. Whereas one chap, who suffered such a large trauma that normal everyday functions of his conciousness were bypassed making him carry out an action which any (mentally) healthy person would deem unusual, is being lambasted.
You can't call his actions selfish as you're judging his them from a position of "normality". His scale of priorities were utterly askew to those of good mental health. You may as well criticise a cold sufferer for sneezing.

There is a total misunderstanding of those who suffer poor mental health.

+1.

Good show.

Indeed, It is tragic for all concerned no less the poor bugger that was in the state of mind that he must have been in.

The pull yourself together mentality is ingrained in our society hence that's why people suffer in silence leading to these tragic events.

[pattyg]

I've known 2 men who put themselves in front of trains in the last 10 years.

One never had a real job, lived alone and in all honestly live just seemed to get him down.

The second was a very fit, self made millionaire with wife and 2 kids.

Mental illness can affect anyone at any time.

[jeebus]

Impasse said:

You may as well criticise a cold sufferer for sneezing.

There is a total misunderstanding of those who suffer poor mental health.

Playing devils advocate, would you apply the cold sufferer analogy to a thief for stealing or a sex offender for rape or even a murderer for killing, Should society be as sympathetic to that sort of behaviour as well. We readily accept alcoholics and gamblers as having a disease they have no control over, where do you draw the line for personal responsibility.

[Negative Creep]

Wills2 said:

THX said:

Impasse said:

Maybe, it just seems odd to reserve sympathy or even understanding of mental health for those who haven't even been diagnosed with the illness yet. Whereas one chap, who suffered such a large trauma that normal everyday functions of his conciousness were bypassed making him carry out an action which any (mentally) healthy person would deem unusual, is being lambasted.
You can't call his actions selfish as you're judging his them from a position of "normality". His scale of priorities were utterly askew to those of good mental health. You may as well criticise a cold sufferer for sneezing.

There is a total misunderstanding of those who suffer poor mental health.

+1.

Good show.

Indeed, It is tragic for all concerned no less the poor bugger that was in the state of mind that he must have been in.

The pull yourself together mentality is ingrained in our society hence that's why people suffer in silence leading to these tragic events.

Whilst attitudes are changing it is still something that is very difficult for people, men in particular, to talk about. I don't think it is necessarily because people do not care, but they don't understand, especially as the circumstances will be different for each person. In the South West barely a week seems to go by without someone being hit by a train, although that would include accidents. Perhaps the most memorable ones for me were an old woman whose husband died a few days previous and just stood on a level crossing, and the person who jumped at a busy station and ended up all over the morning commuters

[Impasse]

jeebus said:

Playing devils advocate, would you apply the cold sufferer analogy to a thief for stealing or a sex offender for rape or even a murderer for killing, Should society be as sympathetic to that sort of behaviour as well. We readily accept alcoholics and gamblers as having a disease they have no control over, where do you draw the line for personal responsibility.

That's why we have the Mental Health Act. If someone isn't able to control their actions due to their poor mental health, they can be removed to a place of safety for their own (and other's) protection.

[WCZ]

Impasse said:

Poor bloke. Must have been in mental agony to make that choice.

+1

RIP.

[deeps]

My dad, an undertaker, lives next to the south west line, so close that the house shakes when a goods train passes. We see about 2 suicides a year, often the body parts aren't found.

Personally I see it as an extremely selfish way to kill yourself. It's a good way for the suicidal of thought, they're not so distressed to be incapable of working out that jumping infront of a train will have a 99.9% success rate, will be quick and provide instant relief. Unlike, say, hanging which can be a slow lingering death if bodged. They know what they're doing when choosing a train, selfish to the end.

We had a suicide (funeral) last year, where the guy had hung himself in his garage, but had the decency to first write a note and stick it to the door stating 'Do not open, call the police'. At least that way the relatives didn't have to see him hanging, and his body was dealt with by those trained in doing so.

Edited by deeps on Sunday 24th August 03:18

[Impasse]

deeps said:

Personally I see it as an extremely selfish way to kill yourself. It's a good way for the suicidal of thought, they're not so distressed to be incapable of working out that jumping infront of a train will have a 99.9% success rate, will be quick and provide instant relief. Unlike, say, hanging which can be a slow lingering death if bodged. They know what they're doing when choosing a train, selfish to the end.

Again, someone else who doesn't get it. Ridiculous closed minded observation. Be thankful you haven't had to go through such a decision making process yourself.

[King Herald]

Otispunkmeyer said:

thats absolutely terrible

but not as terrible as what I saw on live leak which was a guy who had been run over by a train, severed his legs off at the pelvis, yet he was still alive! laying there wondering what the fk to do!

Not sure how he was still alive, I would have though incredible blood loss would see him off quickly, but I can only presume various arteries were pressed shut by the pressure of the train wheels!

Was that the one in Manila? I saw it on Documentingreality.com Looks like there was no blood, but also absolutely no first aid experience amongst any of the people who found him.....