Suicide by train - with a terrible twist.
Discussion
TheInternet said:
W124Bob said:
It's traumatic enough killing a total stranger(involved in 3 in 36 years), but to have to deal with killing an ex and be totally powerless to prevent it is something she may never fully recover from. I have had colleagues in the past who have been in this situation but we tend to rationalize it by using "they wanted to do it" argument. However to have killed someone very personal to you...
You make it sound like the drivers have an opportunity to prevent it and are somehow responsible.There have been some pretty insensitive comments on this thread. But your comment is simply a ridiculous comment designed purely to provoke a reaction. Get a life.
Impasse said:
deeps said:
Personally I see it as an extremely selfish way to kill yourself. It's a good way for the suicidal of thought, they're not so distressed to be incapable of working out that jumping infront of a train will have a 99.9% success rate, will be quick and provide instant relief. Unlike, say, hanging which can be a slow lingering death if bodged. They know what they're doing when choosing a train, selfish to the end.
Again, someone else who doesn't get it. Ridiculous closed minded observation. Be thankful you haven't had to go through such a decision making process yourself.If his guy was so distressed, hurt and upset that he felt the need to kill himself, then I have sympathy with him. But he didn't choose to kill himself by standing in front of a train. He deliberately chose to stand in front of the train that his ex girlfriend was driving. That is a cold and calculating act designed with the sole intent of punishing and traumatising his ex. He would have stood in front of that train, and would have been looking his ex-girlfriend in the eye as the train hurtled towards him, he knew he was going to die, but his main intention was to punish his ex. I have no sympathy for him, but I have a huge amount of sympathy with his ex. Something that you haven't even bothered to comment on, she must be going through hell the poor girl.
I work on railways
You'd be surprised how many folk a month jump in front of trains.
We respond and usually end up finding out why they have done it etc...
As already said..all ages...lifestyles...reasons, no real "standard" to the type of person.
However the delay and cost to recover the service is unreal....an aspect the travelling public don't see when they are delayed.
You'd be surprised how many folk a month jump in front of trains.
We respond and usually end up finding out why they have done it etc...
As already said..all ages...lifestyles...reasons, no real "standard" to the type of person.
However the delay and cost to recover the service is unreal....an aspect the travelling public don't see when they are delayed.
226bhp said:
A friend of mine used to work for BR (that tells you how long ago it was!), he told me about someone who tried to jump from a bridge in front of a train, but missed and landed on the engine room roof. They went straight through and into a huge cooling fan which chopped them up and threw the bits all over the place.
Really?Are you sure that wasn't a movie you saw?
King Herald said:
Was that the one in Manila? I saw it on Documentingreality.com Looks like there was no blood, but also absolutely no first aid experience amongst any of the people who found him.....
Not only no first aid experience or trainng, but I think in many Asian countries people are culturally reticent to get involved or assist. They really have no clue. I say this from witnessing real life incidents as well numerous Facebook uploads of accident scenes from Thailand/Vietnam/India etc.I wouldn't want to collapse in Thailand for example, nobody would perform CPR, they'd just stand around waiting for an ambulance to come .
deeps said:
My dad, an undertaker, lives next to the south west line, so close that the house shakes when a goods train passes. We see about 2 suicides a year, often the body parts aren't found.
Personally I see it as an extremely selfish way to kill yourself. It's a good way for the suicidal of thought, they're not so distressed to be incapable of working out that jumping infront of a train will have a 99.9% success rate, will be quick and provide instant relief. Unlike, say, hanging which can be a slow lingering death if bodged. They know what they're doing when choosing a train, selfish to the end.
We had a suicide (funeral) last year, where the guy had hung himself in his garage, but had the decency to first write a note and stick it to the door stating 'Do not open, call the police'. At least that way the relatives didn't have to see him hanging, and his body was dealt with by those trained in doing so.
Even after people have spelled it out to you, you still don't get it.Personally I see it as an extremely selfish way to kill yourself. It's a good way for the suicidal of thought, they're not so distressed to be incapable of working out that jumping infront of a train will have a 99.9% success rate, will be quick and provide instant relief. Unlike, say, hanging which can be a slow lingering death if bodged. They know what they're doing when choosing a train, selfish to the end.
We had a suicide (funeral) last year, where the guy had hung himself in his garage, but had the decency to first write a note and stick it to the door stating 'Do not open, call the police'. At least that way the relatives didn't have to see him hanging, and his body was dealt with by those trained in doing so.
Edited by deeps on Sunday 24th August 03:18
To call it a selfish act is to view the act from a logical and rational standpoint, whereas the individual committing suicide, in most cases isn't acting rationally or logically.
To put it another way, killing yourself isn't easy, it goes against every fibre of your being. Self preservation is an incredibly powerful thing, so to overrule that and kill themselves, those you call selfish have been in a place where you can't even comprehend, much less have experienced.
How do I know that? Coz if you'd been there, you wouldn't have written that.
Edited by TheJimi on Sunday 24th August 21:33
thehawk said:
Not only no first aid experience or trainng, but I think in many Asian countries people are culturally reticent to get involved or assist. They really have no clue. I say this from witnessing real life incidents as well numerous Facebook uploads of accident scenes from Thailand/Vietnam/India etc.
I wouldn't want to collapse in Thailand for example, nobody would perform CPR, they'd just stand around waiting for an ambulance to come .
Is there not something culturally in certain places where blame, or something, gets attributed to those who help?I wouldn't want to collapse in Thailand for example, nobody would perform CPR, they'd just stand around waiting for an ambulance to come .
I can't remember why I'm thinking that, but I'm sure I've read something similar before and that's why it sounds familiar.
TheJimi said:
Even after people have spelled it out to you, you still don't get it.
To call it a selfish act is to view the act from a logical and rational standpoint, whereas the individual committing suicide, in most cases isn't acting rationally or logically.
To put it another way, killing yourself isn't easy, it goes against every fibre of your being. Self: preservation is an incredibly powerful thing, so to overrule that and kill themselves, those you call selfish have been in a place where you can't even comprehend, much less have experienced.
How do I know that? Coz if you'd been there, you wouldn't have written that.
If it had been any another train I would have had sympathy But He chose to stand in front of his ex's train. Not just any train, his friggin ex's train! He was a cruel and selfish bars***d. To call it a selfish act is to view the act from a logical and rational standpoint, whereas the individual committing suicide, in most cases isn't acting rationally or logically.
To put it another way, killing yourself isn't easy, it goes against every fibre of your being. Self: preservation is an incredibly powerful thing, so to overrule that and kill themselves, those you call selfish have been in a place where you can't even comprehend, much less have experienced.
How do I know that? Coz if you'd been there, you wouldn't have written that.
JensenA said:
TheJimi said:
Even after people have spelled it out to you, you still don't get it.
To call it a selfish act is to view the act from a logical and rational standpoint, whereas the individual committing suicide, in most cases isn't acting rationally or logically.
To put it another way, killing yourself isn't easy, it goes against every fibre of your being. Self: preservation is an incredibly powerful thing, so to overrule that and kill themselves, those you call selfish have been in a place where you can't even comprehend, much less have experienced.
How do I know that? Coz if you'd been there, you wouldn't have written that.
If it had been any another train I would have had sympathy But He chose to stand in front of his ex's train. Not just any train, his friggin ex's train! He was a cruel and selfish bars***d. To call it a selfish act is to view the act from a logical and rational standpoint, whereas the individual committing suicide, in most cases isn't acting rationally or logically.
To put it another way, killing yourself isn't easy, it goes against every fibre of your being. Self: preservation is an incredibly powerful thing, so to overrule that and kill themselves, those you call selfish have been in a place where you can't even comprehend, much less have experienced.
How do I know that? Coz if you'd been there, you wouldn't have written that.
TheJimi said:
Even after people have spelled it out to you, you still don't get it.
To call it a selfish act is to view the act from a logical and rational standpoint, whereas the individual committing suicide, in most cases isn't acting rationally or logically.
To put it another way, killing yourself isn't easy, it goes against every fibre of your being. Self preservation is an incredibly powerful thing, so to overrule that and kill themselves, those you call selfish have been in a place where you can't even comprehend, much less have experienced.
How do I know that? Coz if you'd been there, you wouldn't have written that.
But that's exactly my point, they still possess enough rationale and logic to use the railway as their way out. To call it a selfish act is to view the act from a logical and rational standpoint, whereas the individual committing suicide, in most cases isn't acting rationally or logically.
To put it another way, killing yourself isn't easy, it goes against every fibre of your being. Self preservation is an incredibly powerful thing, so to overrule that and kill themselves, those you call selfish have been in a place where you can't even comprehend, much less have experienced.
How do I know that? Coz if you'd been there, you wouldn't have written that.
Edited by TheJimi on Sunday 24th August 21:33
deeps said:
But that's exactly my point, they still possess enough rationale and logic to use the railway as their way out.
If you think someone who is planning their own demise is of sound mind, then you probably shouldn't offer your services as a Samaritans counsellor!The desire to take your own life is an all consuming occupation. It requires 100% focus and planning to the detriment of everything which may have been previously important including family, friends and pastimes. In fact anything which may have brought pleasure in the past is of little concern once the plan construction begins. Such obsessiveness about anything isn't the action of a healthy mind, let alone an obsession with such a terminal outcome.
ChrisRS6 said:
I work on railways
You'd be surprised how many folk a month jump in front of trains.
We respond and usually end up finding out why they have done it etc...
As already said..all ages...lifestyles...reasons, no real "standard" to the type of person.
However the delay and cost to recover the service is unreal....an aspect the travelling public don't see when they are delayed.
As a commuter I would not be surprised how many people jump in front of trains as my Twitter feed is full of tweets from Southern saying delays due to person under a train. They do seem to go in phases though and I suspect there will be more as we fast trains progress through Autumn towards winter.You'd be surprised how many folk a month jump in front of trains.
We respond and usually end up finding out why they have done it etc...
As already said..all ages...lifestyles...reasons, no real "standard" to the type of person.
However the delay and cost to recover the service is unreal....an aspect the travelling public don't see when they are delayed.
The problem is that the railway cannot prevent people committing suicide in front of trains, they can try and minimise them but will never stop them. They have for example erected fences on the platforms on the fast lines from East Croydon to Victoria to make it more difficult for people to jump in front of the fast trains.
Chrisgr31 said:
The problem is that the railway cannot prevent people committing suicide in front of trains, they can try and minimise them but will never stop them. They have for example erected fences on the platforms on the fast lines from East Croydon to Victoria to make it more difficult for people to jump in front of the fast trains.
Very true; unless the line was placed in a suspended glass tube people will get onto the tracks. Part of me gets annoye at people blaming the train company for the resulting delays, or how them being a few minutes late doesn't really matter when someone has died. But then again those few minutes could mean a missed meeting, appointment, interview, flight etc so their lives can be affected as wellImpasse said:
That's why we have the Mental Health Act. If someone isn't able to control their actions due to their poor mental health, they can be removed to a place of safety for their own (and other's) protection.
You might be rather surprised then at how difficult it is to do that. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff