Man put away for 33 months for pirating film.
Discussion
Rovinghawk said:
otherman said:
£1.50, where you get that from? He wouldn't make anything from downloads.
Something on the news (BBC radio) mentioned a £1.50 charge.Over 2 years in jail does seem very harsh when you think of how many burglars get off which much less.
FunkyNige said:
Over 2 years in jail does seem very harsh.
He should have thought about that before committing the crime.FunkyNige said:
"Burglars get less"
So increase the penalties for burglary. Providing they get a fair trial first, cut fingers off those convicted for all I'd care.They know they're doing wrong from both a legal & moral standpoint, they know their actions will harm others, they deserve whatever they get (& probably more).
Rovinghawk said:
FunkyNige said:
Over 2 years in jail does seem very harsh.
He should have thought about that before committing the crime.>Marshmallow...there's a spelling howler here...get on it.
Harsh but my company makes material for the gaming industry that gets pirated and to be honest the first time I googled it and saw it up on a torrent site I felt sick. All that hard work, all that money invested for some numbnuts to decide to give it away for free! There is a school of thought that the downloaders of such content wouldn't actually have paid for it anyway had it not been free so the loss is significantly less than you may think but I'm not sure that's entirely true.
33 months - double it for all I care. Google don't help either as they kindly remove links to these sites when you ask them to but then record them all in one handy place at the register via chillingeffects.org! So a torrenter gets a nice big long list of places to find this stuff. It's a joke.
33 months - double it for all I care. Google don't help either as they kindly remove links to these sites when you ask them to but then record them all in one handy place at the register via chillingeffects.org! So a torrenter gets a nice big long list of places to find this stuff. It's a joke.
bennyboydurham said:
Harsh but my company makes material for the gaming industry that gets pirated and to be honest the first time I googled it and saw it up on a torrent site I felt sick. All that hard work, all that money invested for some numbnuts to decide to give it away for free! There is a school of thought that the downloaders of such content wouldn't actually have paid for it anyway had it not been free so the loss is significantly less than you may think but I'm not sure that's entirely true.
33 months - double it for all I care. Google don't help either as they kindly remove links to these sites when you ask them to but then record them all in one handy place at the register via chillingeffects.org! So a torrenter gets a nice big long list of places to find this stuff. It's a joke.
People have been pirating games since the days of copying ZX Spectrum cassettes and swapping them in the playground. The games industry, as with films and music, is still here and thriving. You'd have better luck removing porn from the internet than pirated media33 months - double it for all I care. Google don't help either as they kindly remove links to these sites when you ask them to but then record them all in one handy place at the register via chillingeffects.org! So a torrenter gets a nice big long list of places to find this stuff. It's a joke.
Just because something is easy to do does not mean it should be legal, or the penalties for breaking that law should be any less.
As others have pointed out he not only stole copyrighted material but then tried to profit from it. So the sentence will reflect the financial loss incurred.
It is the case that other crimes have met with too lenient a punishment, but that is not an argument for not punishing any crimes!
As others have pointed out he not only stole copyrighted material but then tried to profit from it. So the sentence will reflect the financial loss incurred.
It is the case that other crimes have met with too lenient a punishment, but that is not an argument for not punishing any crimes!
JagLover said:
Just because something is easy to do does not mean it should be legal, or the penalties for breaking that law should be any less.
As others have pointed out he not only stole copyrighted material but then tried to profit from it. So the sentence will reflect the financial loss incurred.
It is the case that other crimes have met with too lenient a punishment, but that is not an argument for not punishing any crimes!
Exactly, he knew what he was doing was illegal and carried on doing it, serves him right.As others have pointed out he not only stole copyrighted material but then tried to profit from it. So the sentence will reflect the financial loss incurred.
It is the case that other crimes have met with too lenient a punishment, but that is not an argument for not punishing any crimes!
Rovinghawk said:
Tough titty. He knew what he was doing was wrong & should accept punishment accordingly.
£1.50 x 700,000 downloads- I presume the proceeds will be confiscated?
The £1.50 was for the DVDs he sold on facebook - he'd sold about a thousand. He gets nothing for the 700k downloads. £1.50 x 700,000 downloads- I presume the proceeds will be confiscated?
hairykrishna said:
Rovinghawk said:
Tough titty. He knew what he was doing was wrong & should accept punishment accordingly.
£1.50 x 700,000 downloads- I presume the proceeds will be confiscated?
The £1.50 was for the DVDs he sold on facebook - he'd sold about a thousand. He gets nothing for the 700k downloads. £1.50 x 700,000 downloads- I presume the proceeds will be confiscated?
Negative Creep said:
People have been pirating games since the days of copying ZX Spectrum cassettes and swapping them in the playground. The games industry, as with films and music, is still here and thriving. You'd have better luck removing porn from the internet than pirated media
Can't disagree with that but the bottom line is this stuff is copyrighted. It's stealing. It's no different to walking into HMV and walking out with a blu ray disc, but because it's behind closed doors and 'victimless' then it goes on. It can't be stopped altogether but Google in particular could probably stop 75% of pirating tomorrow if they were so minded. If you needed to know where to look for this stuff as opposed to just googling for it and finding a load of links then far fewer people would bother. 700,000 people have d/l a film recorded on a phone 
Where do they get these nonsense figures from?!
I'm struggling to believe that anyone would even pay £1.5 for a DVD. I mean, if you have access to Facebook, then you have access to the internet....why pay for a DVD?
He's been jailed for being a moron, continuing to "distribute" after arrest and then posting details about his case online.
I love this bit "The Federation Against Copyright Theft (Fact) claimed this meant "millions of pounds" lost for the film's distributor, Universal Pictures."
Prove that 700,000 d/l it, then prove that the number of 700,000 who would have paid £15 to the cinema to watch it had they not d/l, then take away all the cinema costs and calculate the actual distribution profit......then come back with a figure of "millons of pounds"......
Where do they get these nonsense figures from?!
I'm struggling to believe that anyone would even pay £1.5 for a DVD. I mean, if you have access to Facebook, then you have access to the internet....why pay for a DVD?
He's been jailed for being a moron, continuing to "distribute" after arrest and then posting details about his case online.
I love this bit "The Federation Against Copyright Theft (Fact) claimed this meant "millions of pounds" lost for the film's distributor, Universal Pictures."
Prove that 700,000 d/l it, then prove that the number of 700,000 who would have paid £15 to the cinema to watch it had they not d/l, then take away all the cinema costs and calculate the actual distribution profit......then come back with a figure of "millons of pounds"......
bennyboydurham said:
Can't disagree with that but the bottom line is this stuff is copyrighted. It's stealing. It's no different to walking into HMV and walking out with a blu ray disc, but because it's behind closed doors and 'victimless' then it goes on.
It's completely different to walking into HMV and walking out with a blu ray disc - but that's a discussion (done to death) for another thread.bennyboydurham said:
Harsh but my company makes material for the gaming industry that gets pirated and to be honest the first time I googled it and saw it up on a torrent site I felt sick. All that hard work, all that money invested for some numbnuts to decide to give it away for free! There is a school of thought that the downloaders of such content wouldn't actually have paid for it anyway had it not been free so the loss is significantly less than you may think but I'm not sure that's entirely true.
33 months - double it for all I care. Google don't help either as they kindly remove links to these sites when you ask them to but then record them all in one handy place at the register via chillingeffects.org! So a torrenter gets a nice big long list of places to find this stuff. It's a joke.
I don't think the pros and cons of piracy are really the issue - it's more that you could be walking along the street and I could walk up to you, a total stranger, and kick the living s33 months - double it for all I care. Google don't help either as they kindly remove links to these sites when you ask them to but then record them all in one handy place at the register via chillingeffects.org! So a torrenter gets a nice big long list of places to find this stuff. It's a joke.
t out of you and probably walk away from it with less than this guy got.That doesn't seem right.
bennyboydurham said:
Can't disagree with that but the bottom line is this stuff is copyrighted. It's stealing. It's no different to walking into HMV and walking out with a blu ray disc, but because it's behind closed doors and 'victimless' then it goes on. It can't be stopped altogether but Google in particular could probably stop 75% of pirating tomorrow if they were so minded. If you needed to know where to look for this stuff as opposed to just googling for it and finding a load of links then far fewer people would bother.
Rubbish. it is completely different from shop lifting, it is not stealing since it does not deprive the original owner. It is a breach of licence/contract and should be a civil matter.You are just falling for the bulls
t lobbying and propaganda of the 'Media' industry just like the politicians have. These laws are for the benefit of massive internation businesses not the artists.You really need to read up on http://creativecommons.org/
It'll be party to send a message as it'll be judged to have a high public interest. I imagine him carrying on and being a general dick post-arrest aggravated it, too.
There's nothing wrong with some trade mark infringements / copyright laws being criminal, since it allows the police to target the serious and organised criminals who benefit from such crimes.
There's nothing wrong with some trade mark infringements / copyright laws being criminal, since it allows the police to target the serious and organised criminals who benefit from such crimes.
Martin4x4 said:
bennyboydurham said:
Can't disagree with that but the bottom line is this stuff is copyrighted. It's stealing. It's no different to walking into HMV and walking out with a blu ray disc, but because it's behind closed doors and 'victimless' then it goes on. It can't be stopped altogether but Google in particular could probably stop 75% of pirating tomorrow if they were so minded. If you needed to know where to look for this stuff as opposed to just googling for it and finding a load of links then far fewer people would bother.
Rubbish. it is completely different from shop lifting, it is not stealing since it does not deprive the original owner. It is a breach of licence/contract and should be a civil matter.You are just falling for the bulls
t lobbying and propaganda of the 'Media' industry just like the politicians have. These laws are for the benefit of massive internation businesses not the artists.You really need to read up on http://creativecommons.org/
bennyboydurham said:
Can't disagree with that but the bottom line is this stuff is copyrighted. It's stealing. It's no different to walking into HMV and walking out with a blu ray disc, but because it's behind closed doors and 'victimless' then it goes on. It can't be stopped altogether but Google in particular could probably stop 75% of pirating tomorrow if they were so minded. If you needed to know where to look for this stuff as opposed to just googling for it and finding a load of links then far fewer people would bother.
We've done this topic a million times on this forum but you cannot compare downloading data to shoplifting a physical product. This becomes especially relevant now that 3D printers are becoming more mainstream and affordable.
wolves_wanderer said:
Martin4x4 said:
bennyboydurham said:
Can't disagree with that but the bottom line is this stuff is copyrighted. It's stealing. It's no different to walking into HMV and walking out with a blu ray disc, but because it's behind closed doors and 'victimless' then it goes on. It can't be stopped altogether but Google in particular could probably stop 75% of pirating tomorrow if they were so minded. If you needed to know where to look for this stuff as opposed to just googling for it and finding a load of links then far fewer people would bother.
Rubbish. it is completely different from shop lifting, it is not stealing since it does not deprive the original owner. It is a breach of licence/contract and should be a civil matter.You are just falling for the bulls
t lobbying and propaganda of the 'Media' industry just like the politicians have. These laws are for the benefit of massive internation businesses not the artists.You really need to read up on http://creativecommons.org/
Generally, if society finds something acceptable (which it must be said it does with non-commercial piracy to an extent, in much the same way it does with domestic use of cannabis) then perhaps it's the law that needs looking at rather than the perpetrators.
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