The Chinese Have Been Watching Top Gun
Discussion
Jimbeaux said:
Rovinghawk said:
A few years ago the US made a similar complaint about over-aggressive Chinese fighter pilots; the US plane was in Chinese airspace on a spying mission, but that was quietly ignored by the yanks.
I wonder how the USAF would respond to Chinese military aircraft near America?
The same way, but there is a professional way to go about it. I wonder how the USAF would respond to Chinese military aircraft near America?
Rovinghawk said:
Jimbeaux said:
How about this instance, any word?
Admiral Kirby said the actions "violated customary international law".What exactly is "customary law"?
Methinks he's talking b
ks.PS: Customary international law is recognised by the UN and by international courts, and is a subject taught at most university law schools. Customs evolve, and customary law can grow out of a convention. For example, the principles set out in the Geneva Conventions relating to war, prisoners, and so on have come to be seen as customary law that binds states not party to the Conventions.
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Impasse said:
Repercussions for the pilot of the Chinese 'plane? A corrugated shed, a chest full of medals or a few beers at the bar?
Neither... he will probably have to write out a report to his superiors, but will be let off as essentially he carried out his orders. (Intercept and intimidate the American's in China's self declared ADIZ)Breadvan72 said:
Customs evolve, and customary law can grow out of a convention. For example, the principles set out in the Geneva Conventions relating to war, prisoners, and so on have come to be seen as customary law that binds states not party to the Conventions.
It's notable that American contravenes the Geneva Convention on a regular basis- the best example of this is Guantanamo Bay.Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
Rovinghawk said:
A few years ago the US made a similar complaint about over-aggressive Chinese fighter pilots; the US plane was in Chinese airspace on a spying mission, but that was quietly ignored by the yanks.
I wonder how the USAF would respond to Chinese military aircraft near America?
The same way, but there is a professional way to go about it. I wonder how the USAF would respond to Chinese military aircraft near America?
That is the professional way.
Rovinghawk said:
Americans protesting about military forces being overly aggressive and breaking laws. They complain about the splinter in others' eyes whilst ignoring the trunk in their own.
Whataboutism has always struck me a not very effective rhetorical device, although it's very popular on PH. Dr Jekyll said:
Soviet aircraft used to fly down the UK east coast about once a week, and the occasional Russian aircraft still does. They are always intercepted and there was never any suggestion of 'over aggression'.
That is the professional way.
My understanding is that the level of aggression varied depending upon relations between the UK and the USSR at the time. I remember reading about TU95 bears pointing their tail guns at Phantoms and similarly "aggressive" actions by RAF pilots.That is the professional way.
Tbh I'm surprised at the US kicking up a fuss. They've been known to harass Russian intelligence ships getting too close to US territorial waters. They don't seem to appreciate it when others do likewise.
It's very obvious that China is using current perceived "weakness" of USA to flex it's muscles. USA still thinks of itself as the last superpower. In reality it's the last OLD superpower, which is completely different.
On this occasion I think Breadvan's point is off target. For instance, to an outsider it must look very strange indeed that USA claims to be the champion of freedom and democracy. Yet it vigorously supports the "Jewish State" while vigorously opposing the "Islamic State". IMO there's a very genuine argument to be deployed in the Middle East along the lines whataboutisrael.
On this occasion I think Breadvan's point is off target. For instance, to an outsider it must look very strange indeed that USA claims to be the champion of freedom and democracy. Yet it vigorously supports the "Jewish State" while vigorously opposing the "Islamic State". IMO there's a very genuine argument to be deployed in the Middle East along the lines whataboutisrael.
Qwert1e said:
On this occasion I think Breadvan's point is off target. For instance, to an outsider it must look very strange indeed that USA claims to be the champion of freedom and democracy. Yet it vigorously supports the "Jewish State" while vigorously opposing the "Islamic State". IMO there's a very genuine argument to be deployed in the Middle East along the lines whataboutisrael.
It's interesting to note that the Chinese also support the Israeli's.Countdown said:
Dr Jekyll said:
Soviet aircraft used to fly down the UK east coast about once a week, and the occasional Russian aircraft still does. They are always intercepted and there was never any suggestion of 'over aggression'.
That is the professional way.
My understanding is that the level of aggression varied depending upon relations between the UK and the USSR at the time. I remember reading about TU95 bears pointing their tail guns at Phantoms and similarly "aggressive" actions by RAF pilots.That is the professional way.
Tbh I'm surprised at the US kicking up a fuss. They've been known to harass Russian intelligence ships getting too close to US territorial waters. They don't seem to appreciate it when others do likewise.
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
Rovinghawk said:
A few years ago the US made a similar complaint about over-aggressive Chinese fighter pilots; the US plane was in Chinese airspace on a spying mission, but that was quietly ignored by the yanks.
I wonder how the USAF would respond to Chinese military aircraft near America?
The same way, but there is a professional way to go about it. I wonder how the USAF would respond to Chinese military aircraft near America?
Rovinghawk said:
Jimbeaux said:
How about this instance, any word?
Admiral Kirby said the actions "violated customary international law".What exactly is "customary law"?
Methinks he's talking b
ks.skyrover said:
Impasse said:
Repercussions for the pilot of the Chinese 'plane? A corrugated shed, a chest full of medals or a few beers at the bar?
Neither... he will probably have to write out a report to his superiors, but will be let off as essentially he carried out his orders. (Intercept and intimidate the American's in China's self declared ADIZ)Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff