Legroom on a plane
Discussion
carl_w said:
eharding said:
So, what is there about the airline's description of the seating, service or facilities in 'cattle-class' that leads you to assume that you should be able work on your laptop during the - mercifully brief - flight?
The provision of a tray table suggests that it should be possible to use it.The Wookie said:
Last time some smart arse 'accidentally' dropped a glass of red wine onto my mum's lap after getting snotty about having to sit next to her with a slightly outstretched knee from because of an injury, he ended up hobbling around baggage claim after 'accidentally' receiving a fully loaded baggage trolley at speed to the shins steered by her son who was clearly too big for him to pick a fight with 
You didn't just type that did you?? No, no way, you didn't. 
I'm 6ft 4 with long legs, my knees are usually jammed against the seat back in front, So much so that I normally can't put the tray down.
If someone in front decides to recline it is painful for me. If a polite request to put the seat back up is declined then they would be assured of a very uncomfortable journey and certainly no sleep!
If someone in front decides to recline it is painful for me. If a polite request to put the seat back up is declined then they would be assured of a very uncomfortable journey and certainly no sleep!
JagLover said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
What has happened to Pistonheads ?
Members flying in economy, where is your sense of pride, you should be in business class as a minimum.
Members flying in economy, where is your sense of pride, you should be in business class as a minimum.
Most of my flying has been on business but premium economy (once) was the best I've had. Your typical SME is not going to pay for their auditor to fly business class.
24lemons said:
carl_w said:
eharding said:
So, what is there about the airline's description of the seating, service or facilities in 'cattle-class' that leads you to assume that you should be able work on your laptop during the - mercifully brief - flight?
The provision of a tray table suggests that it should be possible to use it.bullies180 said:
There are way too many "powerfully built" type posts on this thread, but do please keep them coming
If you're referring to my post then I'm not sure why? I'm 6'5" but I'm a soft as s
te ex public schoolboy. Surely a powerfully built type post would have been 'he offended my mum so I used my weight lifting honed muscles and black belt martial arts skills and taught him a lesson he wont soon forget once we were out of sight of the armed police at Gatwick'.It's not my problem the bloke was such a coward that rather than express his opinion and risk an argument he made a few snotty and pointed comments to the person sat next to him and then threw a glass of red wine over a 65 year old woman's lap because she had a dodgy knee and it was slightly impinging on the vast amount of space his ego clearly required.
If someone wants to be spiteful by having 'an accident' because they think it's clever, then they'll get one back.
Edited by The Wookie on Friday 29th August 12:11
The Wookie said:
bullies180 said:
There are way too many "powerfully built" type posts on this thread, but do please keep them coming
If you're referring to my post then I'm not sure why? I'm 6'5" but I'm a soft as ste ex public schoolboy. Surely a powerfully built type post would have been 'he offended my mum so I used my weight lifting honed muscles and black belt martial arts skills and taught him a lesson he wont soon forget once we were out of sight of the armed police at Gatwick'.It's not my problem the bloke was such a coward that he threw a glass of red wine over a 65 year old woman's lap because she had a dodgy knee and it was slightly impinging on the vast amount of space his ego clearly required.
If someone wants to be spiteful by having 'an accident' because they think it's clever, then they'll get one back.
bullies180 said:
asn't specifically referring your post but i'll be honest and say it was included. I'll also say that the other guy was a dick and should have been spoken to thats for sure.
He did get spoken to first by my Dad (I was sat elsewhere) and his response was more or less 'Oops, nevermind. Not my problem her leg was in my space otherwise it wouldn't have landed on her'.The Wookie said:
bullies180 said:
asn't specifically referring your post but i'll be honest and say it was included. I'll also say that the other guy was a dick and should have been spoken to thats for sure.
He did get spoken to first by my Dad (I was sat elsewhere) and his response was more or less 'Oops, nevermind. Not my problem her leg was in my space otherwise it wouldn't have landed on her'.Chlamydia said:
I've flown many thousands of miles over the years and I've never felt the need to recline my seat. I was reading today that one airline in America has actually removed the recline mechanisms from their seats, sounds like a good idea to me.
Do tell what the typical duration of your flights is?carl_w said:
ry it. You'll discover that even on your lap you can't get the screen to the correct angle to be able to see it. Plus there's the sickening scraping noise as the impolite recliner suddenly reclines the back of the seat against your £1500 laptop.
I have no issues in biz or 1st class longhaul, nor do I have issues when I'm travelling in my own time. But if due to scheduling issues I'm travelling in the company's time shorthaul cattle-class, I expect to be able to work.
Ummmm, no.I have no issues in biz or 1st class longhaul, nor do I have issues when I'm travelling in my own time. But if due to scheduling issues I'm travelling in the company's time shorthaul cattle-class, I expect to be able to work.
Seats recline. That is the nature of airplane seats.
I really don't care if you have a crap job where you are expected to work while travelling in economy class. That is your problem.
If you want room to work, pay for business class.
If you or your company does not want to pay for business class, then it is none of your business if other passengers use the facilities, including the seat recline, of the aircraft.
blueg33 said:
Apparently the fact that it is not described as a laptop table doesn't mean that it isnt one. See posters above re seat description
The point is that IMO nobody travelling economy has the right to force their needs/wishes/requirements over anybody else's. If your requirements are that you absolutely must work or you have a condition that causes actual pain if you dont have a minimal amount of space or whatever, then there are options available to you to ensure that your needs are met. Economy is a compromise between cost in relation to comfort. If you are genuinely unable or unwilling to make compromises then seek out alternatives. Dont make others suffer because of your intolerance.
bullies180 said:
thought her knee was slightly outstretched? Not is his space? I mean theres not much room to put your feet on a plane (pretty much what this thread is about) so if the passenger next to me put their leg to side where i'm sitting i dont think i'd be to happy about that either? I'm assuming i've misunderstood this bit, apologies if so.
They'd booked pre-boarding, we left for the gate as soon as it was called and queued up early so Mum could sit in the front row (non-emergency side because of her knee) and have a bit more room so she could extend her leg. I was a late addition so missed the chance for pre-boarding. As she couldn't walk particularly quickly a few got to the gate before us. They all sat in the front row leaving the centre seat free on the right hand side. The man was sat in the isle seat and Mum politely asked if he would mind swapping so she could stretch into the isle, but the arse basically said 'not my problem, I don't want to sit in the middle'. Slightly rude, but what can you do he got there first.
Because of the bulkhead to extend her leg she needed to stretch it over to the left slightly, and I'm talking perhaps a couple of inches to the left of the armrest. Bearing in mind that this guy could spread out into the isle if he wanted to.
24lemons said:
blueg33 said:
Apparently the fact that it is not described as a laptop table doesn't mean that it isnt one. See posters above re seat description
The point is that IMO nobody travelling economy has the right to force their needs/wishes/requirements over anybody else's. If your requirements are that you absolutely must work or you have a condition that causes actual pain if you dont have a minimal amount of space or whatever, then there are options available to you to ensure that your needs are met. Economy is a compromise between cost in relation to comfort. If you are genuinely unable or unwilling to make compromises then seek out alternatives. Dont make others suffer because of your intolerance.
Plus you have ignored that fact that there are not always options available as discussed earlier in the thread
I used to enjoy flying when I was a child - such a sense of adventure. Now though although I love travel, I find most long haul flights an ordeal. OK, I admit I'm not the typical PH Company Director with a MSc in Bullsttery so I don't fly Business Class but even with Premium Economy (or similar) legroom it's quite literally a pain.
A couple of years ago, I was on a flight to the 'States (booked at short notice) where extra legroom wasn't available and my knees were pressed into the seat in front so much so that I couldn't use the tray table (it wouldn't come all the way down) and had to use the blanket to stop the metal frame of the seatback pocket digging into my kneecaps. It was physically impossible for the person in front to recline but thankfully they realised my Femur wasn't going to magically shrink. On the return journey, I, along with several other passengers, was moved next to an empty seat so that I could sit (sort of) sideways.
Now, whilst I'm tall, I'm not exceptionally so and a good proportion of the population are at least as tall as me. As the average height of the population increases, this situation will affect more of us and so sooner or later, the design of public transport etc. (coaches are the same for me) will need to be changed. I'm perfectly comfortable driving 12+ hours in my Discovery but even with a snorkel, they aren't really designed for crossing the Atlantic!
ttery so I don't fly Business Class but even with Premium Economy (or similar) legroom it's quite literally a pain.A couple of years ago, I was on a flight to the 'States (booked at short notice) where extra legroom wasn't available and my knees were pressed into the seat in front so much so that I couldn't use the tray table (it wouldn't come all the way down) and had to use the blanket to stop the metal frame of the seatback pocket digging into my kneecaps. It was physically impossible for the person in front to recline but thankfully they realised my Femur wasn't going to magically shrink. On the return journey, I, along with several other passengers, was moved next to an empty seat so that I could sit (sort of) sideways.
Now, whilst I'm tall, I'm not exceptionally so and a good proportion of the population are at least as tall as me. As the average height of the population increases, this situation will affect more of us and so sooner or later, the design of public transport etc. (coaches are the same for me) will need to be changed. I'm perfectly comfortable driving 12+ hours in my Discovery but even with a snorkel, they aren't really designed for crossing the Atlantic!
I find laptop users in economy are often a PITA.
Laptops are too big to fit in the available space of an economy class seat. When they are used in economy body parts, reports or other crap tend to impinge on the space of the adjacent passengers. Generally it is laptop users who are more annoying than seat recliners.
If you want to use a laptop, pay for premium economy or business class. There are very few routes over 2 hours or so that do not have a premium cabin option.
Laptops are too big to fit in the available space of an economy class seat. When they are used in economy body parts, reports or other crap tend to impinge on the space of the adjacent passengers. Generally it is laptop users who are more annoying than seat recliners.
If you want to use a laptop, pay for premium economy or business class. There are very few routes over 2 hours or so that do not have a premium cabin option.
bullies180 said:
asn't specifically referring your post but i'll be honest and say it was included. I'll also say that the other guy was a dick and should have been spoken to thats for sure.
Well, if you're referring to my posts about the dwarfs, allow me to clarify.It was a joke. Now, I accept, it may not have been a funny joke, but if someone invoking Snowwhite constitutes a threat, then you may have had a sheltered life. May. Joke. Snowwhite. Dwarfs.
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