Legroom on a plane

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creampuff

6,511 posts

142 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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hman said:
Anyway, I fly longhaul about 5 -6 times per year minimum and on the planes I fly in the way the seat reclines results in no loss of legroom for the person behind as the seat base moves forwards.
(not having a go at you, this is just general comment)

Seat recline results in very low or no loss of legroom. It does result is loss of room at chest and head level, which is counteracted by you reclining your own seat. Have I mentioned I think all economy class passengers should recline their seat and get a good sleep on their long flight?

Cathay Pacific used to use a seat where the back of the seat was a hard shell and when you "reclined" it, the seat bottom cushion slid forward and the back cushion slid down. There was no movement whatsoever in the back of the seat from the point of view of the passenger behind. They had negative passenger feedback to this design. It has been discontinued in new aircraft and is being removed from existing aircraft. It seems most economy class passengers like a conventional seat recline and don't mind the consequence that the passenger in front will recline their seat onto them.

0000

13,812 posts

190 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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creampuff said:
the keystrokes are not quiet when the rest of the cabin is silent.
Eh?

Are you sure you've flown on a plane?

VolvoT5

4,155 posts

173 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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sc0tt said:
Yes sorry mate I do.

I'm 6ft4 and buy extra legroom because I am tall. If you can't fit then find another methos of transport, or, do what the rest of the tall people do and buy extra legroom.

HTH
Yes but it isn't always possible to get the extra leg room seats and for most people flying business class is simply unaffordable. I don't think tall people should be unable to fly, it isn't even like being fat where you can control your size.... if you are 6ft 5 you are stuck with those long legs.

In the scenario described above, redtwin was sitting behind someone continually ramming the seat into his knees, knowing full well he had nowhere to go and it was beyond his control. She was effectively assaulting him. I would probably end up being escorted off the plane in such a situation....

And why is it always the short fkers who feel the need to recline the seat to the maximum? That and the person on the inside seat who 'needs' to pee 8 times in 3 hours.



Edited by VolvoT5 on Friday 29th August 17:04

shoestring7

6,138 posts

245 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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I'm only about 6' 2", but the (big, rich, American) company who employed me for 5 years demanded my presence in the US at least once every month or so. However their travel policy would only allow upgraded travel on flights over 8 hours, and guess what, London to JFK is officially around 7.5hrs (although often 8 or more hours sat in Economy sized seats).

After one particularly awful delayed Virgin flight jammed in an economy seat (Virgin has the shortest transatlantic seat-pitch) I ended up with back spasms and spent three days in my hotel room unable to stand, let alone get into the office. I got my GP to write a 'To whom it may concern' letter, quoting 'elf 'n safety and duties of care etc., and sent it to the HR director. From there on my travel file was marked with permission for an upgrade to Premium.

Something that might work for some on here.

SS7

LucreLout

908 posts

117 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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0000 said:
Eh?

Are you sure you've flown on a plane?
Yes, but big ears was next to him while they circled toy town.

carl_w

9,154 posts

257 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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irocfan said:
I rather suspect that the table tray was designed before the advent of laptops, but please feel free to correct this assumption; also the assumption that a table tray is for trying to eat whatever passes for food on these things no?
As a concept maybe, but in general I try to avoid airlines whose aircraft have been built prior to the invention of the laptop. Most airlines don't offer food in economy class any more, so what's the table for?

hman

7,487 posts

193 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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carl_w said:
As a concept maybe, but in general I try to avoid airlines whose aircraft have been built prior to the invention of the laptop. Most airlines don't offer food in economy class any more, so what's the table for?
Only the budget airlines dont offer food.

hman

7,487 posts

193 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Anyway im off to singa we next week - I will report back on the use of these recline prevention devices. I will be requesting such a device is removed if I encounter any of this sort of tttery.

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

230 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Damn, this makes me want to go hide in the Diogenes Club.

creampuff

6,511 posts

142 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Oddly enough I'm taking a flight in economy class this weekend. I'll let everyone know how I get on wink

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

241 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Behave.

irocfan

40,152 posts

189 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Justayellowbadge said:
Behave.
just ban the fker, quite frankly he's tiresome frown

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

230 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Is this guy for real or trolling for thrills?

J4CKO

41,274 posts

199 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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The way I see it, like a throttle on a car, the recline is analogue, it can go a little, or all the way, it is annoying when the person in front of you, as soon as allowed, launches it straight back, especially if fairly tall and in economy, being impinged on by someone a foot shorter, it is pretty inconsiderate to put it all the way back, a little bit of give and take, compromise is what is called for, for me the worst offenders are small women, the "comfort princess" as known by airline staff, all sleep masks, blankets and pillows, dwarfed in a majestic dimensions of their economy seat they still feel the need to recline to the max, then have a nice sleep whilst you get your thigh bones pinned.

Second only to the constant overhead bin messers, those peopel who cant just get stuff out for the flight, up and down slamming the fking things to wake you up from your alcohol/pills sleeping combo.

Then the bds that bring twin babies on a plane and the thoose that cant sit the fk down, of and the toilet fans, up and down, every ten mins for a piss, usually wakign you up as well.

carl_w

9,154 posts

257 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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hman said:
Only the budget airlines dont offer food.
Wrong, BA don't do food on short haul either. They used to.

carl_w

9,154 posts

257 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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J4CKO said:
Second only to the constant overhead bin messers, those peopel who cant just get stuff out for the flight, up and down slamming the fking things to wake you up from your alcohol/pills sleeping combo.
This is the same on the plane and the train. People who get on and then spend 10 minutes faffing around with their stuff in the overheads.

RYH64E

7,960 posts

243 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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You get what you pay for, which isn't much in cattle class.

If people want more legroom then it's available at a cost, if you're not prepared to pay (and I'm not) then you have to put up with reclining seats and non-existant leg room, and for me a very fat Chinese bird shoehorned into the seat next to me on a very unpleasant (but cheap) 12 hour flight back from Shanghai. First Class is really expensive on long haul flights, and not worth it when you're spending your own money, imo.

It's a similar argument to the Supermarket Mother and Child parking space, if the airline fit reclining seats to their airplanes then that's their choice and their customers are entitled to use them. If you're 6'4" or otherwise too large to fit in the space provided then choose another airline or pay for an upgrade, it's your problem not the airline's and not the passenger in front with a reclining seat that they're perfectly entitled to use.



Edited by RYH64E on Friday 29th August 19:49

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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Lego on a plane? Is this a slightly less scary sequel film?

0000

13,812 posts

190 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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RYH64E said:
If you're 6'4" or otherwise too large to fit in the space provided then choose another airline or pay for an upgrade, it's your problem not the airline's and not the passenger in front with a reclining seat that they're perfectly entitled to use.
Not always an option and not a problem for me that they won't be able to recline their seat through my knees. They're perfectly entitled to try and use it. They should pay for an upgrade to get a seat that has some space behind to recline into.

carl_w

9,154 posts

257 months

Friday 29th August 2014
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RYH64E said:
It's a similar argument to the Supermarket Mother and Child parking space, if the airline fit reclining seats to their airplanes then that's their choice and their customers are entitled to use them. If you're 6'4" or otherwise too large to fit in the space provided then choose another airline or pay for an upgrade, it's your problem not the airline's and not the passenger in front with a reclining seat that they're perfectly entitled to use.
I'm also perfectly entitled to use my reclining seat, but I don't do so (or I do so only minimally) out of respect for the entitlements of the person behind me. If there's no-one behind I'm happy to recline it all the way back.

Someone once said that your rights end where someone else's begin, or words to that effect. A bit of common courtesy wouldn't go amiss.