Legroom on a plane
Discussion
HappySilver said:
Are the people complain the same as those who complain about people parking on the road in their space because it is outside of their home?
I think there's two different people. The ones using the devices probably fit this category. The ones whose legs already occupy that space are more like people who've already parked their cars outside their home complaining that someone else is trying to bump their car out of the space it already occupies because they've paid road tax.walsh said:
Flying on Monday, short hop ( 2hrs or so), on a budget airline.
As I am also in the 74% of people on ph over 6 foot 5, I expect to be uncomfortable, regardless if the person in front attempts to recline the chair!
Side point- I need to come to a Ph meet. Its very rare I come across anyone else knocking on 2m tall, but judging from this thread it'll be a gaggle of massive freaks.
I'm 6'4" myself. I agree that there does seem to be a disproportionate number of taller people on this thread but then that's probably because the legroom issue is, by definition, more of an issue to us than shorter people.As I am also in the 74% of people on ph over 6 foot 5, I expect to be uncomfortable, regardless if the person in front attempts to recline the chair!
Side point- I need to come to a Ph meet. Its very rare I come across anyone else knocking on 2m tall, but judging from this thread it'll be a gaggle of massive freaks.
When I'm in economy I just expect to be uncomfortable and that's generally how it turns out.
As it happens I'm flying easyJet (for the first time!) on Monday and was quite pleased to read that their seats don't recline as it's only a 65 min flight so I've saved the client £8 each way by not booking extra legroom.
JagLover said:
On a poll on the Telegraph out of 20,000 respondents 70% were in favour of banning reclining seats on airplanes.
Drivel, voted on by people who've probably never flown, or have never travelled on a proper long haul flight. Even going on holiday once a year, all excited and unable to sleep, hardly gives any sort of perspective about the regular long haul flyer. Flying is a tedious necessity for many people, me included, and the less prima-donnas rigging seat jamming devices the better. I'd assume most of them do it because they want to prove something, rather than to actually 'defend their knees'.....
PorkInsider said:
I'm 6'4" myself.
As it happens I'm flying easyJet (for the first time!) on Monday and was quite pleased to read that their seats don't recline as it's only a 65 min flight so I've saved the client £8 each way by not booking extra legroom.
School boy error. The legroom on Squeezyjet is limited at best. As it happens I'm flying easyJet (for the first time!) on Monday and was quite pleased to read that their seats don't recline as it's only a 65 min flight so I've saved the client £8 each way by not booking extra legroom.
bozzy101 said:
If the person in front of me reclined their seat against my legs, my issue wouldn't be with them, it would be with the airline for cramming too many seats in to maximise profit. The person in front is only doing something the seat was designed for.
It is not cramming too many seats in, but not giving people a choice.If airlines had separate non-reclining and reclining seat sections then people would have a choice without having to resort to knee defenders.
bozzy101 said:
If the person in front of me reclined their seat against my legs, my issue wouldn't be with them, it would be with the airline for cramming too many seats in to maximise profit. The person in front is only doing something the seat was designed for.
Yes, but if your legs were preventing the chair from fully reclining yet the person in the seat continually rammed it into your knees in an attempt to make it recline that would be unacceptable to you surely? King Herald said:
JagLover said:
On a poll on the Telegraph out of 20,000 respondents 70% were in favour of banning reclining seats on airplanes.
Drivel, voted on by people who've probably never flown, or have never travelled on a proper long haul flight. Even going on holiday once a year, all excited and unable to sleep, hardly gives any sort of perspective about the regular long haul flyer. Flying is a tedious necessity for many people, me included, and the less prima-donnas rigging seat jamming devices the better. I'd assume most of them do it because they want to prove something, rather than to actually 'defend their knees'.....
JagLover said:
bozzy101 said:
If the person in front of me reclined their seat against my legs, my issue wouldn't be with them, it would be with the airline for cramming too many seats in to maximise profit. The person in front is only doing something the seat was designed for.
It is not cramming too many seats in, but not giving people a choice.If airlines had separate non-reclining and reclining seat sections then people would have a choice without having to resort to knee defenders.
It's totally up to you who you book with (depending on destination of course).
Emirates 32-34"
Thomson 33"
Norwegian 32"
BA 31"
Virgin 31"
Monarch 31"
Thomas Cook 30"
www.seatguru.com
Edited by el stovey on Sunday 31st August 15:54
King Herald said:
JagLover said:
On a poll on the Telegraph out of 20,000 respondents 70% were in favour of banning reclining seats on airplanes.
Drivel, voted on by people who've probably never flown, or have never travelled on a proper long haul flight. Even going on holiday once a year, all excited and unable to sleep, hardly gives any sort of perspective about the regular long haul flyer. 
VolvoT5 said:
Yes, but if your legs were preventing the chair from fully reclining yet the person in the seat continually rammed it into your knees in an attempt to make it recline that would be unacceptable to you surely?
No I agree, it is unacceptable. I was just trying to point out it is the airline cramming all the seats in which really causes the problem. Let's be honest, reclined or not there isn't much room. I was in Australia this summer, flew on an A380, a B777 and an A330 and all 6'1" of me managed to survive the perils of reclining seats. Thing is, the flight is not the object of the exercise, it's only a means to an end, so as long as you accept that you're going to be trapped in an airline veal crate for 30-odd hours you should be OK.
Airline food, that's another matter...
Airline food, that's another matter...
King Herald said:
Drivel, voted on by people who've probably never flown, or have never travelled on a proper long haul flight. Even going on holiday once a year, all excited and unable to sleep, hardly gives any sort of perspective about the regular long haul flyer.
Flying is a tedious necessity for many people, me included, and the less prima-donnas rigging seat jamming devices the better. I'd assume most of them do it because they want to prove something, rather than to actually 'defend their knees'.....
I fly quite a lot, long haul and short haul. I love flying (except for the legroom and the food), maybe I could be described as being excited especially on low altitude flight paths and find it very difficult to sleep on any form of transport. I certainly don't sleep on flights under about 16 hours. Flying is a tedious necessity for many people, me included, and the less prima-donnas rigging seat jamming devices the better. I'd assume most of them do it because they want to prove something, rather than to actually 'defend their knees'.....
Foppo said:
We had a first mate at sea about six feet seven.He was always banging his head ships aren't designed for really tall people.>
Last year, I visited the USS Yorktown in Charleston, SC. It's amazing how such a huge ship is so cramped inside. Even climbing the ladders between the decks, I was banging my head, back etc. on all kinds of fittings and fixtures. As for submarines... 
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