Legroom on a plane

[Clivey]

RYH64E said:

If you're too big for cattle class then pay for an upgrade, or expect to be even more uncomfortable than usual, there's no reason to inconvenience other passengers who can fit into the (limited) space provided just because you can't.

I wonder if your tune would change if you were so affected.

The majority simply cannot afford business class flights. I am sure that if small / disabled / ginger etc. people were made to be uncomfortable, there would be uproar but it seems those of above average height are fair game for the "tough luck" treatment.

[Munter]

In terms of reclining. I say let the staff recline them all with a big button up the front of the cabin.

Lights out, seats set to reclined, see if any other flight attendants fancy a game of hide the sausage, wait 4 hours 50 minutes, turn the lights on, seats set to upright.

[irocfan]

Clivey said:

RYH64E said:

If you're too big for cattle class then pay for an upgrade, or expect to be even more uncomfortable than usual, there's no reason to inconvenience other passengers who can fit into the (limited) space provided just because you can't.

I wonder if your tune would change if you were so affected.

The majority simply cannot afford business class flights. I am sure that if small / disabled / ginger etc. people were made to be uncomfortable, there would be uproar but it seems those of above average height are fair game for the "tough luck" treatment.

considering all the advantages tall people get I'd say suck it up freak

[Halmyre]

I read somewhere that airlines would prefer passengers to be anaesthetised before take off, carried on board and stored in racks and carted off at the other end before reviving them. Whichever one adopts this idea first can be assured of my business.

[DJRC]

Flying isn't a human right folks. For business is one thing but private punters on grockle trips? Knock it off.

[Clivey]

DJRC said:

Flying isn't a human right folks. For business is one thing but private punters on grockle trips? Knock it off.

Neither is washing your hands after going to the toilet. Sinks and hand dryers are still fitted at knee-height to accommodate midgets.

[anonymous-user]

Halmyre said:

I read somewhere that airlines would prefer passengers to be anaesthetised before take off, carried on board and stored in racks and carted off at the other end before reviving them. Whichever one adopts this idea first can be assured of my business.

It was a passenger survey Boeing did. During the development of the Dreamliner they asked people what amenities they would like in future planes. To their disappointment hardly anyone ticked the many improvements they were working on for passenger comfort with the majority ticking the joker option 'fill the cabin with a gas which knocks me out and wake me up when we get there'... Count me in, the whole experience from checking in to queing for a cab at the far end is just st.

[Digga]

fblm said:

Count me in, the whole experience from checking in to queing for a cab at the far end is just st.

I've felt this way for decades. I travel a little for work and (especially nowadays) mostly for leisure, and try to minimise at every opportunity, my use of airports and airlines.

Anecdotally, within the subset of my nice, comfortably off middle-class friends with kids (I have other friends too ) I notice a definite trend to holidaying within the UK or by road to France.

[RYH64E]

Clivey said:

RYH64E said:

If you're too big for cattle class then pay for an upgrade, or expect to be even more uncomfortable than usual, there's no reason to inconvenience other passengers who can fit into the (limited) space provided just because you can't.

I wonder if your tune would change if you were so affected.

The majority simply cannot afford business class flights. I am sure that if small / disabled / ginger etc. people were made to be uncomfortable, there would be uproar but it seems those of above average height are fair game for the "tough luck" treatment.

You pay for a certain amount of space, I can fit in that space (just). It isn't particularly comfortable but on a long haul flight I manage to get a bit of sleep, which is easier with the seat reclined. If I couldn't fit in the space available I'd reluctantly consider paying for more space, I wouldn't be happy but that's how it goes. It's the airlines fault that the allocated space is insufficient, not that of the reclined compact person in the seat in front.

My pet hate is fat people overflowing their seat and spilling into my space. If my luggage weighs more than the allowed limit I get charged for excess baggage, I'd be more than happy to see seats charged by gross weight, passenger plus luggage, that'd be fun at check in.

[irocfan]

RYH64E said:

I'd be more than happy to see seats charged by gross weight, passenger plus luggage, that'd be fun at check in.

y'think that that'd stop the gigantors of this world complaining? Not a bit of it... cue the "...it's not my fault I weigh 14/15 stone, I'm 6'5", it's not fair that that pudgy 5'9" midget weighs the same as me and so pays the same"

[DJRC]

Clivey said:

DJRC said:

Flying isn't a human right folks. For business is one thing but private punters on grockle trips? Knock it off.

Neither is washing your hands after going to the toilet. Sinks and hand dryers are still fitted at knee-height to accommodate midgets.

You realise that manages to make nonsense at all whilst not even being amusing let alone funny. I'm almost impressed at the uselessness of the "quip".

[0000]

Third flight in 9 days diverted over reclining seats.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/...

[0000]

(It seems one of the three was in a premium economy section...)

[Jimbeaux]

0000 said:

Third flight in 9 days diverted over reclining seats.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/...

I suspect the knee defender issue being so fresh in the news has made already irate-proned passengers be more on the lookout for recliners than before, thus an uptick in incidents.

[Clivey]

RYH64E said:

You pay for a certain amount of space, I can fit in that space (just). It isn't particularly comfortable but on a long haul flight I manage to get a bit of sleep, which is easier with the seat reclined. If I couldn't fit in the space available I'd reluctantly consider paying for more space, I wouldn't be happy but that's how it goes.

Precisely...but we're going around in circles. Sometimes, paying extra for more legroom isn't an option.

RYH64E said:

It's the airlines fault that the allocated space is insufficient, not that of the reclined compact person in the seat in front.

I agree (and I wouldn't use one of the devices under discussion). I will, if possible, seek-out a seat / airline that offers sufficient room. I do feel that there should be a minimum standard though - in the worst cases, being cramped for hours can have obvious negative consequences (someone mentioned knee problems earlier).

RYH64E said:

My pet hate is fat people overflowing their seat and spilling into my space.

Again, I agree...if the seat is decent to start with. I'm about average weight for my height (and again, I'm not a giant) but still end-up having to mind my elbows in some plane seats. Even Airbus themselves have recommended that the average seat should be made wider. TBH I'm not surprised passengers are getting irate and confrontational on planes. I couldn't bare being stuck in your average economy seat on a regular basis. To those of you that fly long haul every week, especially if you're tall, I don't know how you do it.

DJRC said:

You realise that manages to make nonsense at all...

[DJRC]

Airlines fault? They produce a product, you buy it. You don't *have* to buy the product. You can drive to Europe, take the train on your holidays. You can holiday in UK. Nobody is forcing you to fly abroad, you choose to.

Ive more sympathy for business passengers who have to tolerate such things - I am one myself, but I never care if anybody reclines when I stick to chav class and Im happy to pay myself to upgrade to business if its reasonable.

[eharding]

Jimbeaux said:

0000 said:

Third flight in 9 days diverted over reclining seats.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/...

I suspect the knee defender issue being so fresh in the news has made already irate-proned passengers be more on the lookout for recliners than before, thus an uptick in incidents.

In this case it appears the aggrieved party (by now, presumably, on all quality no-fly lists) was leaning forwards and trying to use the tray-table as a pillow, thereby bucking the trend of simply leaning backwards and using the handy head-cushions built into even the most basic airliner seat.

Hence, I suspect "knee-defenders" weren't an issue.

I am, however, seriously contemplating patenting the "idiot defender", an iPhone app that suggests you take a "selfie" with the phone held in an elevated position, thereby picturing the occupant of the seat behind you.

This, used obviously before the engines start, can be uploaded to a processing centre that does a general physical profile - midget, average, lanky git likely to kick off over reclining seats or lardy git likely to kick off over lateral-spread issues that might disturb your sleep, plus a specific image match against known al-qaedea, al-shebob, al-ukip and other non-desirable types. Google as far better than the NSA at that sort of thing.

Discerning "idiot defender" App subscribers can then request to be re-seated, or request the Security Services be called, as appropriate.

[Jimbeaux]

eharding said:

Jimbeaux said:

0000 said:

Third flight in 9 days diverted over reclining seats.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/...

I suspect the knee defender issue being so fresh in the news has made already irate-proned passengers be more on the lookout for recliners than before, thus an uptick in incidents.

In this case it appears the aggrieved party (by now, presumably, on all quality no-fly lists) was leaning forwards and trying to use the tray-table as a pillow, thereby bucking the trend of simply leaning backwards and using the handy head-cushions built into even the most basic airliner seat.

Hence, I suspect "knee-defenders" weren't an issue.

I am, however, seriously contemplating patenting the "idiot defender", an iPhone app that suggests you take a "selfie" with the phone held in an elevated position, thereby picturing the occupant of the seat behind you.

This, used obviously before the engines start, can be uploaded to a processing centre that does a general physical profile - midget, average, lanky git likely to kick off over reclining seats or lardy git likely to kick off over lateral-spread issues that might disturb your sleep, plus a specific image match against known al-qaedea, al-shebob, al-ukip and other non-desirable types. Google as far better than the NSA at that sort of thing.

Discerning "idiot defender" App subscribers can then request to be re-seated, or request the Security Services be called, as appropriate.

sounds like you have it all,sorted.