Legroom on a plane

[Jandywa]

vescaegg said:

Nonsense. People pay for a seat that does certain things. One of which is reclining. I wouldn't be a dick about it and wouldn't recline if someone tall is behind me but some self righteous tt just not wanting me to recline would get no sympathy.

I agree

[24lemons]

LucreLout said:

24lemons said:

If somebody reclining their seat bothers you that much then I would suggest it is you that needs to stump up the extra cash and upgrade and not the person in front.

If the seat is being used in the manner in which it was intended, and the person using it is courteous and not reclining while you are trying to eat then suck it up and deal with it IMO.

You might argue that someone reclining into your space is inflicting discomfort upon you but surely demanding that they remain bolt upright for your benefit is inflicting discomfort onto them.

Aircraft cabins are small and uncomfortable at the best of times. Getting huffy and up tight only makes things worse. If you are genuinely caused discomfort or distress by somebody reclining a seat then pay more if your personal space means that much to you.

You try a 12 hour flight with an 11 stone dwarf lying on your knees, then report back.

People bh about Ryan Air, but the leg room is fantastic compared to BA, especially if Sleepy is travelling in front of you.

Maybe ditch BA? The flights I've done on Air New Zealand have all been long and have all had people reclining their seats. Virgin Atlantic had less legroom but at no time have I ever had anyone actually resting on my knees. I'm 6'4" and it's never been a problem.

[Tiggsy]

any flight under 5 hours - just have fixed seats.

if you need to recline a chair on a short flight you are too lazy. just sit still and wait, at the airport you can lie down where you like.

[King Herald]

0000 said:

King Herald said:

I totally circumnavigate the globe every ten weeks, several 10+ hour long hauls at a time, and if someone tries to fit a 'knee defender' to my seat I'll make damn sure that I remember to reach behind and tip their food/drink/laptop in their face every few minutes.

If you are so tall you don't fit into economy seats, then MOVE into an aisle seat, or pay extra for economy plus, but don't think it is your right to f**k with MY seat or my comfort!

Aisle seats don't afford any extra legroom, I've paid extra for more legroom and still found my knees against the back of the seat in front.

Good luck picking fights with people bigger than you though.

Sorry, I meant exit row seat. And I won't be picking fights, it'll be an accident each time.

[King Herald]

Tiggsy said:

any flight under 5 hours - just have fixed seats.

if you need to recline a chair on a short flight you are too lazy. just sit still and wait, at the airport you can lie down where you like.

I agree with this. No need to have a recline on a short haul.

One of the flight I've had to take back from work is 2 x 12 hour legs, and then a 3 hour leg: Houston Moscow: Singapore: Manila. If anybody long-legged freak of nature expects me to sit bolt upright for even part of that hitch they better bring some bandages, as sawn off legs bleed like hell.

[blueg33]

anonymous said:

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Depends on how steep the tiered seating is

Mind you, I suppose we have to allow for small man syndrome and massive chips on shoulders

[WreckedGecko]

oyster said:

Long haul this is only a problem in economy, which isn't for business travel anyway, so no laptop issues.

Believe you me, economy is for business travel nowadays. I fly long haul, seemingly constantly, and I am always in the back.

Our travel budget would be vast if we flew business.

Either that or we would have to halve the number of trips, which would not really help.

Edit to add: 1,000 posts! Woo!

[LucreLout]

24lemons said:

Maybe ditch BA? The flights I've done on Air New Zealand have all been long and have all had people reclining their seats. Virgin Atlantic had less legroom but at no time have I ever had anyone actually resting on my knees. I'm 6'4" and it's never been a problem.

Virgin and all the American outfits are the same. If you're six four and the seat isn't a problem then you must have an oddly long body with stumpy legs. At six one I struggle before the dwarfs give it the hi-ho.

[LucreLout]

King Herald said:

I agree with this. No need to have a recline on a short haul.

One of the flight I've had to take back from work is 2 x 12 hour legs, and then a 3 hour leg: Houston Moscow: Singapore: Manila. If anybody long-legged freak of nature expects me to sit bolt upright for even part of that hitch they better bring some bandages, as sawn off legs bleed like hell.

I hope you can sleep through me jabbing my screen in your headrest 'cos I won't be sleeping with you lying on my knees.
If Sleepy gets Grumpy about it, he can always put his seat back up and be Happy. If he's Dopey enough to start trouble then he better call Doc first.
I can't think of a way weave Sneezy or Bashful into that.. Any takers?
Little people don't need to recline seats but us grown ups do need leg room.
If you aren't tired enough to sleep sitting up, then just wait until you get to your hotel and sleep there.

[vescaegg]

LucreLout said:

I hope you can sleep through me jabbing my screen in your headrest 'cos I won't be sleeping with you lying on my knees.
If Sleepy gets Grumpy about it, he can always put his seat back up and be Happy. If he's Dopey enough to start trouble then he better call Doc first.
I can't think of a way weave Sneezy or Bashful into that.. Any takers?
Little people don't need to recline seats but us grown ups do need leg room.
If you aren't tired enough to sleep sitting up, then just wait until you get to your hotel and sleep there.

Whoa calm down hard man you are scaring people.

[LucreLout]

vescaegg said:

Whoa calm down hard man you are scaring people.

Ok, so you come up with a better way to get five out of seven dwarf names into one response and I'm all ears.

Only an idiot would think it was any sort of threat. Oh. I see. You're Dopey aren't you.

Edited by LucreLout on Thursday 28th August 17:23

[blueg33]

WreckedGecko said:

oyster said:

Long haul this is only a problem in economy, which isn't for business travel anyway, so no laptop issues.

Believe you me, economy is for business travel nowadays. I fly long haul, seemingly constantly, and I am always in the back.

Our travel budget would be vast if we flew business.

Either that or we would have to halve the number of trips, which would not really help.

Edit to add: 1,000 posts! Woo!

Exactly, we are only allowed to travel economy for business any upgrade including to premium economy has to be at our own expense

edit to add 13,230 posts - woo! - clearly not working hard enough

[Rude-boy]

LucreLout said:

vescaegg said:

Whoa calm down hard man you are scaring people.

Ok, so you come up with a better way to get five out of seven dwarf names into one response and I'm all ears.

Only an idiot would think it was any sort of threat. Oh. I see. You're Dopey aren't you.

Edited by LucreLout on Thursday 28th August 17:23

I saw it as humour.
You could also have worked in "Bashful on the knees" asn possibly something about coating the recliner's face in your snot if you were feeling Sneezy.

On the topic in hand I tend to recline my seat about 3 degrees as it is more comfortable. Yes really, about 3 degrees. So slight that I can't remember the last time a steward/ess noticed on take off or landing that I had reclined. Any more than that and you should ask permission from the person behind. Sadly for most people in front of me that 3 degrees from the vertical is all they are likely to get, not because I am a space hogging gimp or carry a Knee Defender but because on most flights it would require the removal of my legs which are already jammed up against the seat back!

[Bodie390]

I'm 6'6" and normally on long haul flights I go premium economy but you still get a awkward tw@t sat in front who's 5'2" and reclines as soon as the seat belt sign goes out!

This thread has just reminded me to book extra legroom on a upcoming flight on Ryanair to Alicante in Nov, cheers lads

[anonymous-user]

When my mum and dad in their 70's flew transatlantic (10hrs) recently, some fat idiots behind decided they couldn't recline their seats into 'their space' and resorted to the crap mentioned above, hitting the head rest, verbally abusing them and complaining to the cabin staff. The stewardess witnessed the fattys behaviour, agreed with them that it was terribly rude to dare to recline into their space and moved my folks up to business to solve the problem... Apparently the fattys were seething. I normally hate BA but have to hand it to them on this occasion.

As for these stupid little knee defenders, they lock the seat infront to the tray table behind? Really? I'm 100% certain I can break your tray table if I put my back into it.

[carl_w]

I'm not tall (5'10") but when flying short-haul on business (in cattle class) i often have to work on my laptop. On BA, Lufthansa, Alitalia etc there isn't room to get the laptop open (it's a 13" MacBook Air...) when the person in front fully reclines their seat. You basically end up with them on your lap. I'm OK if people recline an inch or two but some of these economy seats seam to go a lot further. Even though I despise Ryanair I prefer their non-reclining seats for short-haul flights.

[blueg33]

anonymous said:

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Bait the hook and someone always bites, despite the smiley!

[eharding]

carl_w said:

I'm not tall (5'10") but when flying short-haul on business (in cattle class) i often have to work on my laptop. On BA, Lufthansa, Alitalia etc there isn't room to get the laptop open (it's a 13" MacBook Air...) when the person in front fully reclines their seat. You basically end up with them on your lap. I'm OK if people recline an inch or two but some of these economy seats seam to go a lot further. Even though I despise Ryanair I prefer their non-reclining seats for short-haul flights.

So, to be clear...you're complaining that you end up with your laptop, um, on top of your lap?

[Oakey]

eharding said:

So, to be clear...you're complaining that you end up with your laptop, um, on top of your lap?

If the seat in front is reclined at an angle of 50 degrees and the OP's laptop needs to open to an angle of 120degrees...

[Otispunkmeyer]

Is this bhing about reclining an english thing? like moaning about queues and not being able to merge in turn without getting irate?

I am 6ft 3, I have long legs courtesy of the mother and flying is massively uncomfortable. I won't begrudge the person in front their ability to recline, they're in the same discomfort as I and I'd like for them to eek out whatever comfort they can for the next 10 hours. My coping method is to recline enough to allow sliding down/slouching in the seat to be comfortable, I can then get my keens under the seat in front rather than in the back of it, and extend my feet under their seat. Sometimes I end up playing foostsie with the person in front but normally there is a little bar or structure to press my feet on top and brace myself. Works quite well, but you do need some element of recline to avoid having too much round in the back. Generally though even this won't allow me to sleep, just not comfortable enough and there is never anywhere to support your head. So I end up being awake for the full flight and feeling like ste.

The only time I have ever slept on a plane was when I was coming back from my day trip to Australia (yes that happened, I was in Melbourne for 24 hours)... I was so banjaxed I slept the whole way to Dubai. I have no idea how the girl next to me got out to go for a piss. I presume she either straddled me () or she just held it in!

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Thursday 28th August 23:50