9 year old accidently shoots her instructor with an Uzi!
Discussion
I about this incident on the wireless this morning and thought also, complete madness.
FPS Russia's take on the Uzi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY-9Rq22aYE
How the hell could you even envisage giving one to a nine year old?
Phil
FPS Russia's take on the Uzi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY-9Rq22aYE
How the hell could you even envisage giving one to a nine year old?
Phil
This is not the first time a child has been involved in a machine gun death.
A while back, probably 6 or 7 years ago a very young boy was allowed to fire a fully automatic at a gun show, the gun kicked up and he was shot in the head and killed whilst his Dad looked on.
I am a member on a few US forums, none connected with firearms but almost every day firearms are mentioned, always in a "Gung Ho" way.
If a poster expresses a cautionary attitude towards guns he will be shouted down immediately by Right Wingers or people paranoid about being attacked by black people.
It's a different culture over there, guns are for self protection but even the accidental shooting statistics seem to suggest that they would be better off using our firearm laws.
One guy on a metalwork forum shot himself in the leg, leading to permanent disability, early retirement and severe financial hardship from medical bills even though he was insured. He still posts enthusiastically about his guns and spends all his spare cash down at the range.
No one has posted any anti gun sentiments on the thread even though this bloke has nearly killed himself and ruined his families life.
Like I said, a completely different culture.
A while back, probably 6 or 7 years ago a very young boy was allowed to fire a fully automatic at a gun show, the gun kicked up and he was shot in the head and killed whilst his Dad looked on.
I am a member on a few US forums, none connected with firearms but almost every day firearms are mentioned, always in a "Gung Ho" way.
If a poster expresses a cautionary attitude towards guns he will be shouted down immediately by Right Wingers or people paranoid about being attacked by black people.
It's a different culture over there, guns are for self protection but even the accidental shooting statistics seem to suggest that they would be better off using our firearm laws.
One guy on a metalwork forum shot himself in the leg, leading to permanent disability, early retirement and severe financial hardship from medical bills even though he was insured. He still posts enthusiastically about his guns and spends all his spare cash down at the range.
No one has posted any anti gun sentiments on the thread even though this bloke has nearly killed himself and ruined his families life.
Like I said, a completely different culture.
cloggy said:
onyx39 said:
Assuming an Uzi can be set to single shot?
Yes it can.Had an Uzi as my weapon during Military service.
Priceless.
I know Piers Morgan is pretty much despised by all on here, but he was making a few comments on Twitter about this last night, and some of the stuff coming back was vile.
I actually reported one poster to Twitter, not for what was said about Piers, but about a case connected to NOTW.
I don't have a problem with teaching weapon handling from a young age; my Dad taught my basic gun safety from my very first air pistol, and I was shooting firearms under supervision from 13. Latterly I taught cadets to shoot live weapons safely; it does instill in them a bit of responsibility and attention to detail. These were teenagers, supervised with a rigid set of rules, and single-shot only (semi-auto 7.62mm in the good old days, but even then we had no incidents at all).
A 9 year old with a full-auto SMG however? What could possibly go wrong there... Did her parents let her drive the family pick-up on the way there as well? Darwinism at work, as mentioned. I'm surprised the kid was even strong enough to lift the thing.
A 9 year old with a full-auto SMG however? What could possibly go wrong there... Did her parents let her drive the family pick-up on the way there as well? Darwinism at work, as mentioned. I'm surprised the kid was even strong enough to lift the thing.
cloggy said:
onyx39 said:
Assuming an Uzi can be set to single shot?
Yes it can.Had an Uzi as my weapon during Military service.
Priceless.
I know Piers Morgan is pretty much despised by all on here, but he was making a few comments on Twitter about this last night, and some of the stuff coming back was vile.
I actually reported one poster to Twitter, not for what was said about Piers, but about a case connected to NOTW.
DuncsGTi said:
I may get accused of bad parenting here, but just 2 weeks ago i was teaching my 7yo son how to safely handle a rimfire .22 semi auto. IIRC I was around the same age when my father taught me.
He actually picked it up really quickly and was shooting tight groupings at about 100yds
IV no problem with kids learning about firearms. I did from a youngish age and if properly done teaches responsibility.He actually picked it up really quickly and was shooting tight groupings at about 100yds
But there is a difference between a closed bolt. 22 and an open bolt full auto 9.
DuncsGTi said:
I may get accused of bad parenting here, but just 2 weeks ago i was teaching my 7yo son how to safely handle a rimfire .22 semi auto. IIRC I was around the same age when my father taught me.
He actually picked it up really quickly and was shooting tight groupings at about 100yds
To be fair, I was an Army Cadet back in my early teens and shot a number of weapons, including a Sterling Sub Machine gun (It was back in the 70's) but I was not 9, I was with a qualified Army instructor, and it was definitely set to single shot.He actually picked it up really quickly and was shooting tight groupings at about 100yds
What is it with America and guns - i really don't get it?
It's childish - in the true sense of the word - their attitude towards guns seem to to be the same as that of my 5 year old son.
Is it borne out of a sense of insecurity - or inferiority? Or is it just mindless idiocy?
Now a man is dead and a 9 YO child will forever remember that she killed a man - from doing something that wasn't her choice.
Perhaps if all the poeple who were prepared to place an automatic weapon in the hands of a 9YO child got shot then it would start to solve the problem.
As callous as that may sound I can't help think that there is some Darwinism in action here.
I can understand why a member of a special forces unit needs to know how to use and Uzi - but there is no reason why a child does.
In fact there is no reason why anyone needs to know how to use a gun - the sooner America wakes up to the fact that their 2 Ammendment rights does nothing other than equip and encourage people to kill each other the better.
Won't happen though - the god given right to kill people (gun instructors, high school kids, unarmed guys wearing hoodies, lost teenage girls who knock on your door at night, cinema goers etc etc etc) seems to be something the Americans seem keen to cling onto - much to the bemusement of the rest of the planet.
It's childish - in the true sense of the word - their attitude towards guns seem to to be the same as that of my 5 year old son.
Is it borne out of a sense of insecurity - or inferiority? Or is it just mindless idiocy?
Now a man is dead and a 9 YO child will forever remember that she killed a man - from doing something that wasn't her choice.
Perhaps if all the poeple who were prepared to place an automatic weapon in the hands of a 9YO child got shot then it would start to solve the problem.
As callous as that may sound I can't help think that there is some Darwinism in action here.
I can understand why a member of a special forces unit needs to know how to use and Uzi - but there is no reason why a child does.
In fact there is no reason why anyone needs to know how to use a gun - the sooner America wakes up to the fact that their 2 Ammendment rights does nothing other than equip and encourage people to kill each other the better.
Won't happen though - the god given right to kill people (gun instructors, high school kids, unarmed guys wearing hoodies, lost teenage girls who knock on your door at night, cinema goers etc etc etc) seems to be something the Americans seem keen to cling onto - much to the bemusement of the rest of the planet.
It's not a bad idea to teach children to handle weapons safely such as a shotgun, rifle or even pocket knife... the risk is very very low and instils respect and discipline from an early age.
That said... some things are purely from a practical perspective completely inappropriate such as an erratic, hand held automatic weapon.
That said... some things are purely from a practical perspective completely inappropriate such as an erratic, hand held automatic weapon.
The thing that gets me is that the BBC initially called it a "mishap" in its headline.
US girl, nine, in gun lesson mishap
(Although I notice that they have now changed the headline to 'Arizona nine-year old in Uzi gun lesson accident')
US girl, nine, in gun lesson mishap
(Although I notice that they have now changed the headline to 'Arizona nine-year old in Uzi gun lesson accident')
JonRB said:
The thing that gets me is that the BBC initially called it a "mishap" in its headline.
US girl, nine, in gun lesson mishap
(Although I notice that they have now changed the headline to 'Arizona nine-year old in Uzi gun lesson accident')
Maybe the initial reports did not reveal that he was dead.US girl, nine, in gun lesson mishap
(Although I notice that they have now changed the headline to 'Arizona nine-year old in Uzi gun lesson accident')
It was still breaking when I was reading about it last night.
Possibly they were trying to reveal as much as they could without actually stating he was dead.
Reminds me of this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU
Someone has already said it but this should be a nomination for this year's Darwin Awards. Teaching a nine-year old to shoot an Uzi... ridiculous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU
Someone has already said it but this should be a nomination for this year's Darwin Awards. Teaching a nine-year old to shoot an Uzi... ridiculous.
I feel for the kid having to grow up with that on her conscience.
Dumb f
king parenting.
The argument about the USA having a different culture to guns, Some of it i understand. But they often say it's about 'respecting' the weapons but then open shooting ranges called 'Burgers & bullets' making firearms sound like something fun to do over lunch.
just so dumb.
Dumb f
king parenting.The argument about the USA having a different culture to guns, Some of it i understand. But they often say it's about 'respecting' the weapons but then open shooting ranges called 'Burgers & bullets' making firearms sound like something fun to do over lunch.
just so dumb.
as some American (no doubt a dirty, tree loving liberal hippy) put it...................
How in the love of God is a place that hands Uzis to nine year olds allowed to operate!?!?
There are race tracks in this country that will teach you how race car driver skills. They have cars that go really, really fast; faster than what most folks have ever driven.
If one of those places let a nine year old drive a race car, let alone getting in an accident that killed someone, I’d hope the government and/or public outrage would shut it down.
Some nine year olds, in AZ are probably not tall enough to go on so e roller coasters, but letting them handle Uzis is okay.
There are a number of places that would be shutdown a heartbeat, if they let nine year olds into such dangerous situations, but Bullets and Burgers will stay in business like nothing fking happened.
I wonder, if they even closed, when Vacca was killed or if it was just one of those accidents that happen, like a waiter dropping some dishes that can be cleaned up as patrons continue to enjoy themselves
............... Guess it's just another world
How in the love of God is a place that hands Uzis to nine year olds allowed to operate!?!?
There are race tracks in this country that will teach you how race car driver skills. They have cars that go really, really fast; faster than what most folks have ever driven.
If one of those places let a nine year old drive a race car, let alone getting in an accident that killed someone, I’d hope the government and/or public outrage would shut it down.
Some nine year olds, in AZ are probably not tall enough to go on so e roller coasters, but letting them handle Uzis is okay.
There are a number of places that would be shutdown a heartbeat, if they let nine year olds into such dangerous situations, but Bullets and Burgers will stay in business like nothing f
king happened.I wonder, if they even closed, when Vacca was killed or if it was just one of those accidents that happen, like a waiter dropping some dishes that can be cleaned up as patrons continue to enjoy themselves
............... Guess it's just another world
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