9 year old accidently shoots her instructor with an Uzi!
Discussion
Dr Jekyll said:
The point is that these two countries already have the kind of gun controls that are suggested for the USA. Yet the murder rate is still high. While Canada has plenty of guns in the hands of law abiding people yet a low murder rate.
Yep, I get the point.I guess Brazil and Mexico are still developing countries, whereas Canada is a wealthy and 'civilized' country with history, long term stability and good governance.
As to the USA then - makes it all the more baffling....
Guam said:
I know its the mail but still, Barbie guns for kids wtf are they thinking?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2737205/Gu...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2737205/Gu...
As joe pesci says in Casino.
"always the dollars, allways the f
king dollars"Guam said:
I know its the mail but still, Barbie guns for kids wtf are they thinking?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2737205/Gu...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2737205/Gu...
jdw100 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
The point is that these two countries already have the kind of gun controls that are suggested for the USA. Yet the murder rate is still high. While Canada has plenty of guns in the hands of law abiding people yet a low murder rate.
Yep, I get the point.I guess Brazil and Mexico are still developing countries, whereas Canada is a wealthy and 'civilized' country with history, long term stability and good governance.
As to the USA then - makes it all the more baffling....
FredClogs said:
Jimbeaux said:
FredClogs said:
Dr Jekyll said:
FredClogs said:
Yes, I'd say so, you gonna suggest it's not am addiction just a necessary tool for self improvement or survival? Or is it a result of a governmental system who gives not a st for the people and is quite happy for them to kill each other?
Both Brazil and Mexico have stricter gun laws than the US, yet miraculously this does not cause gangsters and druggies to give up violence and sit around singing kumbaya What do you suggest the government can do?t for the people and is quite happy for them to kill each other?A) Further control and restriction of fire arms and sanctions for those criminals caught with them
B) Helping young men avoid criminal lifestyles through better education access and financial support to poor families
C) Sort out the drugs trade that recruits and provides for so much of this criminality, by what ever means.
I would suggest arming more people will only ever lead to more people being shot, it just followed logically.
Seriously? Isn't that what we have states and governments for? This is a particularly complex web the Americans have weaved for themselves, it confuses me and I'm not even American...
McWigglebum4th said:
jdw100 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
The point is that these two countries already have the kind of gun controls that are suggested for the USA. Yet the murder rate is still high. While Canada has plenty of guns in the hands of law abiding people yet a low murder rate.
Yep, I get the point.I guess Brazil and Mexico are still developing countries, whereas Canada is a wealthy and 'civilized' country with history, long term stability and good governance.
As to the USA then - makes it all the more baffling....
Why did you not use the English spelling?
Jimbeaux said:
scherzkeks said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Its only baffling if you consider America to be a civilized country
Nail, meet hammer. 
So being british I am going to fight for the underdog.
Ok, for people saying guns are crazy in the US, well that is the rules they wish to live under thanks, it is our democratic right. It might be wrong, but they chose it.
You don't even live there.
So go jump.
Gandahar said:
McWigglebum4th said:
jdw100 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
The point is that these two countries already have the kind of gun controls that are suggested for the USA. Yet the murder rate is still high. While Canada has plenty of guns in the hands of law abiding people yet a low murder rate.
Yep, I get the point.I guess Brazil and Mexico are still developing countries, whereas Canada is a wealthy and 'civilized' country with history, long term stability and good governance.
As to the USA then - makes it all the more baffling....
Why did you not use the English spelling?
ETA: Oh, and they make more money than you, if you aren't sure about that, just ask them. Gandahar said:
Jimbeaux said:
scherzkeks said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Its only baffling if you consider America to be a civilized country
Nail, meet hammer. So being british I am going to fight for the underdog.
Ok, for people saying guns are crazy in the US, well that is the rules they wish to live under thanks, it is our democratic right. It might be wrong, but they chose it.
You don't even live there.
So go jump.
I do have a small quite dream that one day some of the energy expended dishing out advice from on high to correct all of the wrongs of us savages be directed at correcting whatever cultural flaw exists under your own noses that prompts 1,500 Londoners, etc to go play Jihad. Just a quiet thought from the upstairs staff Guv'nor. Jimbeaux said:
Gandahar said:
McWigglebum4th said:
jdw100 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
The point is that these two countries already have the kind of gun controls that are suggested for the USA. Yet the murder rate is still high. While Canada has plenty of guns in the hands of law abiding people yet a low murder rate.
Yep, I get the point.I guess Brazil and Mexico are still developing countries, whereas Canada is a wealthy and 'civilized' country with history, long term stability and good governance.
As to the USA then - makes it all the more baffling....
Why did you not use the English spelling?
ETA: Oh, and they make more money than you, if you aren't sure about that, just ask them. There is no easy solution given all factors.
People from the UK and Europe cannot take in all factors easily such as the history of the USA and actually being brought up with the independent family and background.
And I say that as an anti gun person, but you have to take in the big picture. Somehow someone, more clever than me or you or posters on this thread, has to make it work that they are no longer needed. Time marches on. Time is what will make it better. Only time.
In the meantime though we have to make things safer while we get to that state.
McWigglebum4th said:
Its only baffling if you consider America to be a civilized country
Having spent a fair bit of time there - I'd say it is very civilised.Never felt in any danger, even in some dodgier parts of LA.
This is the baffling bit for me; Americans are very friendly, well mannered, welcoming people..so why this belief that you must have a gun at hand at all times to stop your daughter being raped?
Mind you I do find the attitude of the Police there quite horrible - a sort of false friendliness; lots of 'Sir' but in a way that you feel they don't mean it.
I guess its my own fault for crossing a road with no traffic on it at 08:00 on a Sunday morning instead of walking until I found a pedestrian crossing. That was one of those CHiPS type guys on a bike like out of the TV programme, he was also very annoyed that I didn't have any I.D.
Also been pulled for having the temerity of trying to walk to the shops that I could see from my hotel instead of driving to them. Luckily he was totally baffled by the fact I lived somewhere called 'Wales' so after a spot of shouting just jumped in his car and sped off. Bless him.
jdw100 said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Its only baffling if you consider America to be a civilized country
Having spent a fair bit of time there - I'd say it is very civilised.Never felt in any danger, even in some dodgier parts of LA.
This is the baffling bit for me; Americans are very friendly, well mannered, welcoming people..so why this belief that you must have a gun at hand at all times to stop your daughter being raped?
Mind you I do find the attitude of the Police there quite horrible - a sort of false friendliness; lots of 'Sir' but in a way that you feel they don't mean it.
I guess its my own fault for crossing a road with no traffic on it at 08:00 on a Sunday morning instead of walking until I found a pedestrian crossing. That was one of those CHiPS type guys on a bike like out of the TV programme, he was also very annoyed that I didn't have any I.D.
Also been pulled for having the temerity of trying to walk to the shops that I could see from my hotel instead of driving to them. Luckily he was totally baffled by the fact I lived somewhere called 'Wales' so after a spot of shouting just jumped in his car and sped off. Bless him.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 29th August 14:55
Gandahar said:
The issue with guns in the US is,and this might come as a surprise to some folk
There is no easy solution given all factors.
People from the UK and Europe cannot take in all factors easily such as the history of the USA and actually being brought up with the independent family and background.
And I say that as an anti gun person, but you have to take in the big picture. Somehow someone, more clever than me or you or posters on this thread, has to make it work that they are no longer needed. Time marches on. Time is what will make it better. Only time.
In the meantime though we have to make things safer while we get to that state.
no easy solution is one thing, but the fact that any kind of control or law that is attempted is met with a big no from the people and congress is what confuses me as outsider, & big fan of the US going almost every year for the past 10.There is no easy solution given all factors.
People from the UK and Europe cannot take in all factors easily such as the history of the USA and actually being brought up with the independent family and background.
And I say that as an anti gun person, but you have to take in the big picture. Somehow someone, more clever than me or you or posters on this thread, has to make it work that they are no longer needed. Time marches on. Time is what will make it better. Only time.
In the meantime though we have to make things safer while we get to that state.
Here is the second fatal shooting involving under 10's & uzi's at gun ranges within 3 years and if you put a piece of legislation before congress to ban the use of fully automatic guns by children under 10, (sounds like a no brainer surely), there is no way in hell it would get voted through, or if it did someone would bring a court action to have it repealed as they believe it is their childs 2nd amendment right to shoot uzi's.
it seems that instead of no easy solution, there is just no solution and you just have to cross your fingers your not caught in the crossfire.
it's a real shame for those that end up in harms way.
Jimbeaux said:
scherzkeks said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Its only baffling if you consider America to be a civilized country
Nail, meet hammer. fair play to Jimbeaux, clearly we're not a receptive audience when it comes to the right to bear arms.Noting the following things:
1)whilst many on here claim to hate big government, on this issue and quite a few others, we do seem to have a tendency to reach straight for regulation (not that regulation is always bad; but we do seem to look towards it as the first solution, not the last),
2)in any case, federal regulation is a moot point anyway (witness the failed assault weapons ban),
2)I've not head absolutely anyone, on this thread or any other I've read, in the US or UK, suggest that there's a situation where giving a 9yo an Uzi isn't stupid - to me this implies this is a "law of large numbers" accident rather than a failure of education (but I may be wrong),
what would you suggest? "Do nothing" always sounds crap, but is it actually the best solution that could actually happen?
Prawnboy said:
Gandahar said:
The issue with guns in the US is,and this might come as a surprise to some folk
There is no easy solution given all factors.
People from the UK and Europe cannot take in all factors easily such as the history of the USA and actually being brought up with the independent family and background.
And I say that as an anti gun person, but you have to take in the big picture. Somehow someone, more clever than me or you or posters on this thread, has to make it work that they are no longer needed. Time marches on. Time is what will make it better. Only time.
In the meantime though we have to make things safer while we get to that state.
no easy solution is one thing, but the fact that any kind of control or law that is attempted is met with a big no from the people and congress is what confuses me as outsider, & big fan of the US going almost every year for the past 10.There is no easy solution given all factors.
People from the UK and Europe cannot take in all factors easily such as the history of the USA and actually being brought up with the independent family and background.
And I say that as an anti gun person, but you have to take in the big picture. Somehow someone, more clever than me or you or posters on this thread, has to make it work that they are no longer needed. Time marches on. Time is what will make it better. Only time.
In the meantime though we have to make things safer while we get to that state.
Here is the second fatal shooting involving under 10's & uzi's at gun ranges within 3 years and if you put a piece of legislation before congress to ban the use of fully automatic guns by children under 10, (sounds like a no brainer surely), there is no way in hell it would get voted through, or if it did someone would bring a court action to have it repealed as they believe it is their childs 2nd amendment right to shoot uzi's.
it seems that instead of no easy solution, there is just no solution and you just have to cross your fingers your not caught in the crossfire.
it's a real shame for those that end up in harms way.
Jimbeaux said:
It shouldn't take legislation, it should take a parent that isn't stupid. An Uzi is a useless thing to begin with, much less for a kid.
but by that token then, do you think that any legislation is necessary in any part of life? Lets say drink driving laws? shouldn't be necessary to legislate against the stupidity of someone getting drunk then driving, but it is.surely legislation exists because in the real world people do stupid things, and some of those things may cause the death of them or others around them.
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