9 year old accidently shoots her instructor with an Uzi!

[mackie1]

You can have a Barrett .50 BMG rifle in the UK as long as it's not semi automatic like that one.

Also this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-oCbZ4njiE

[scherzkeks]

rovermorris999 said:

What would is that I would be uncomfortable living somewhere where someone can be made bankrupt simply because they are ill.

I'm sorry, but if you can't afford health care (or college, or insurance), it is your own fault. Have a nice day!

[rovermorris999]

scherzkeks said:

I'm sorry, but if you can't afford health care (or college, or insurance), it is your own fault. Have a nice day!

Tongue in cheek I assume! College or insurance I'm more red-knecked about but healthcare makes me come over all cuddly.

[redtwin]

Vipers said:

Can you buy an Uzi legally in the states?

Yes you can.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Ite...

Full auto versions are extremely rare though and go for much more.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Ite...

[redtwin]

yonex said:

Yes and no, it is a different level in both of our fields. Not to get into specifics but with the equity in the house we would be able to move there mortgage free and buy another house with a small loan which would be let. The homes can be a bit 'cutter' but they are big and there are some nice areas. On that basis the plan wold be mortgage free and a second income home with a small loan. 0.3 to 0.5 x UK salary and $3/gallon. On the negative side a large chunk of the uplift will need to go to health care plans.

Where we are looking at is a rapidly expanding area and is a base for a good few European manufacturers and all of their supply chains. In terms of employment for engineering it is a very good place to be. As I said I don't like guns very much at all, machine guns even less. It is just one of the many factors in the decision but not one of the main ones tbh.

Which areas were you thinking of in the US?. If you don't like guns, presumably you wouldn't go anywhere near a shooting range in which case I imagine you would struggle to even see any guns that were not strapped to a Police officer or security guard.

I lived in "gun friendly" South Florida for 16 years and it was an extreme rarity to see civilian guns in public. When I say "see" I mean I was able to identify that someone was carrying one concealed which in itself is a breach of the concealed carry laws. Basically, "concealed" means just that, it should not be visible outside of clothing.

If you are bothered even by the guns that the Police carry, then yeah, may not be a good idea to move to the US...or any other European country.

[Vipers]

redtwin said:

Vipers said:

Can you buy an Uzi legally in the states?

Yes you can.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Ite...

Full auto versions are extremely rare though and go for much more.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Ite...

Beggars belief, Tks for link.

[redtwin]

Vipers said:

Beggars belief, Tks for link.

You mean the prices? , yeah they really aren't worth that much but I guess collectors will always chase them as the name "Uzi" alone is legendary.

[vinnie01]

one thing to consider... guns or no guns people will still kill each other

[mrmr96]

McWigglebum4th said:

And the gun you can legally own in the UK out of these two is?

What do you think?

Edited by mrmr96 on Saturday 30th August 01:43

[anonymous-user]

redtwin said:

Which areas were you thinking of in the US?. If you don't like guns, presumably you wouldn't go anywhere near a shooting range in which case I imagine you would struggle to even see any guns that were not strapped to a Police officer or security guard.

I lived in "gun friendly" South Florida for 16 years and it was an extreme rarity to see civilian guns in public. When I say "see" I mean I was able to identify that someone was carrying one concealed which in itself is a breach of the concealed carry laws. Basically, "concealed" means just that, it should not be visible outside of clothing.

If you are bothered even by the guns that the Police carry, then yeah, may not be a good idea to move to the US...or any other European country.

SC. I doubt if I'd go to a range, no interest really. I can't say I am bothered about seeing guns when the people that are holding them are law enforcement etc. I wander through airports every other week where officers are armed, why would that bother anyone? As I said gun culture is just one of many things to consider, it really isn't the major issue.

[Vipers]

redtwin said:

Vipers said:

Beggars belief, Tks for link.

You mean the prices? , yeah they really aren't worth that much but I guess collectors will always chase them as the name "Uzi" alone is legendary.

Maybe I should have kept the Russian sten gun I found when we cleared the Suez Canal in 74. Sold it to a collector for £20.

[redtwin]

Vipers said:

Maybe I should have kept the Russian sten gun I found when we cleared the Suez Canal in 74. Sold it to a collector for £20.

Yeah, may have sold yourself short on that one.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Ite...

A working example would most certainly go for much more...if it didn't land you in prison before you could sell it.

[redtwin]

yonex said:

SC. I doubt if I'd go to a range, no interest really. I can't say I am bothered about seeing guns when the people that are holding them are law enforcement etc. I wander through airports every other week where officers are armed, why would that bother anyone? As I said gun culture is just one of many things to consider, it really isn't the major issue.

It does bother some people, just have a read through the "tooled up coppers" thread.

I am not sure the gun culture is even worth considering. It isn't something that you will be exposed to unless you wanted to be. It is easy enough to avoid that section in sporting goods stores or Walmart etc. Though I suppose if you were living in the very rural parts of SC you might encounter hunters or the stereotypical "gun rack in the back window of a truck".

[croyde]

Echoing the poster that said similar, I too like shooting but I don't own any firearms apart from air and CO2 pistols and rifles but taking a look at the idiots and fools that surround me, do I really want them all to have easy access to guns.

No! I don't even like the fact that they have easy access to cars So as the previous guy said, my needs and wants should not be more important then the needs and wants of the general population.

So if this means I can't own a pistol in the UK, so be it.

[pcvdriver]

redtwin said:

Vipers said:

Can you buy an Uzi legally in the states?

Yes you can.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Ite...

Full auto versions are extremely rare though and go for much more.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Ite...

To be fair, they are two totally different guns. Yes they are both Uzi machine pistols, but that's where the similarity ends. The more expensive one has receivers and barrels for three different calibres of ammunition. It also come with a suppressor and a whole load of other kit. I'm in no doubt that full auto ones are worth more, but the paring of these two for sakes of comparison doesn't quite match up.

[redtwin]

It wasn't meant to be a direct comparison, but I can appreciate that it came across that way. That particular auto version was the only one I could find for sale quickly to demonstrate that full auto Uzis are available for legal sale and that they go for much more than a semi auto.

That optimistic starting price is more to do with the rarity of full auto Uzis rather than the inclusion of extra parts. The receiver (most likely just the sear) is the expensive bit, those extra barrels and magazines are relatively cheap in comparison as they are not considered NFA items and can easily be bought and sold and swapped between auto and semi-auto firearms.

I doubt very much that the two extra barrels would cost more than $300 and maybe another $50 for each of the magazines.


Edit:

Just noticed the suppressor which is also included. While this is a registered NFA item that requires a special tax stamp, but they don't go for much relative to the full auto firearm itself. They can be bought for anywhere from $5-800 depending on manufacturer.

Edited by redtwin on Saturday 30th August 18:19

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Jimbeaux said:

I grasp it fine. BTW, you tell me which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Errr..the egg, by many millions of years. Hard shelled eggs are a reptilian development, and birds evolved from dinosaurs, and they were reptiles.

Whilst the creatures that hatched from eggs has evolved over millions of years, the design of the egg itself has pretty much gone unchanged.

So the egg came long before the chicken.

Hope this helps.

[Efbe]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Jimbeaux said:

I grasp it fine. BTW, you tell me which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Errr..the egg, by many millions of years. Hard shelled eggs are a reptilian development, and birds evolved from dinosaurs, and they were reptiles.

Whilst the creatures that hatched from eggs has evolved over millions of years, the design of the egg itself has pretty much gone unchanged.

So the egg came long before the chicken.

Hope this helps.

isn't it prior to this. don't fish have eggs?

edit: oh fk,just realised this is anti-american/freedom/creation. hence anti-tradition and so obviously wrong

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Efbe said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Jimbeaux said:

I grasp it fine. BTW, you tell me which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Errr..the egg, by many millions of years. Hard shelled eggs are a reptilian development, and birds evolved from dinosaurs, and they were reptiles.

Whilst the creatures that hatched from eggs has evolved over millions of years, the design of the egg itself has pretty much gone unchanged.

So the egg came long before the chicken.

Hope this helps.

isn't it prior to this. don't fish have eggs?

edit: oh fk,just realised this is anti-american/freedom/creation. hence anti-tradition and so obviously wrong

Indeed they do, which is indeed the forerunner, but I was specifically referring to the internally fertilised hard shell egg, as used by reptiles and birds.

[VolvoT5]

Only in America could you find people who think it is a right to let their children shoot automatic weapons..... AND people who are willing to defend that right as well. Insane.