9 year old accidently shoots her instructor with an Uzi!

[fido]

Efbe said:

seeing someone ripped apart from gunfire and dying in front of you in a pool of blood whilst you attempt to apply pressure in a futile gesture. now that gives you some respect for them. (not that I am suggesting this)

.. so in a way, this girl will probably have actual respect for guns now .. ?

[Soov535]

scherzkeks said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Crikey! I'm nearly 52 and have never even held a real gun. Beyond a fairground air rifle, never held a gun at all.

That is because you live in a civilized society.

We live in a society where all the bad people have guns, and the good people have "never held a gun".

How safe are you feeling?

[mackie1]

scherzkeks said:

That is because you live in a civilized society.

You mean the civilised society which celebrates various forms of shooting in the Commonwealth and Olympic games? There are hundreds of thousands of shooters in the UK. Also, Amber Hill started when she was 9 years old and she's one of the top skeet shooters in the world at 16 and was Young Sports Personality of the Year 2013.

Edited by mackie1 on Wednesday 27th August 11:19

[TwigtheWonderkid]

scherzkeks said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Crikey! I'm nearly 52 and have never even held a real gun. Beyond a fairground air rifle, never held a gun at all.

That is because you live in a civilized society.

That, plus I find guns boring. I have no interest in guns or shooting whatsoever.

[bigmadjohn]

Myself and the missus actually went to this range last year on our vegas trip. One of the guns I shot was the uzi, and as an 18st bloke, it did require some effort to control it, so giving it to a 9 year old, wtf? However the guys working there were extremely friendly, very professional, seemed to be very safety conscious. They are all veterans, a couple of the younger ones had been in Iraq/Afghanistan, and the older one had been in the first gulf war. To serve on the frontline for months at a time then to be killed in this way is to me at least quite sad for everyone involved.

Video without blurring, doesnt show anything gruesome-

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Instructor-dies-after...

However, it is an extremely poor decision to hand a 9yr old a fully automatic weapon, and Charles paid for this with his life.

RIP

[mackie1]

This case is obviously extreme but I don't have a problem with children learning to shoot for sporting purposes. Pushy parents are an issue but that can apply to all sorts of things and not just shooting.

[JonRB]

Efbe said:

do kids learn to drive at 9? use power tools? use a chainsaw? Operate a deep fat fryer?

Not 9, but kids learn all those things. Why else does Mercedes-Benz World offer under-16s driving experiences and driver training? And I certainly was using a Deep Fat Fryer by the age of 12 or 13.

For the avoidance of doubt, I don't think anyone is saying that a 9 year-old should have been firing a full automatic machine pistol. To focus on just that seems disingenuous to me.

[John145]

Soov535 said:

scherzkeks said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Crikey! I'm nearly 52 and have never even held a real gun. Beyond a fairground air rifle, never held a gun at all.

That is because you live in a civilized society.

We live in a society where all the bad people have guns, and the good people have "never held a gun".

How safe are you feeling?

Perfectly safe! I managed to go to university for 4 years without once wondering if there would be a mad student who decides to shoot the place up. I guess that isn't possible in the USA!

[Nom de ploom]

hornetrider said:

Video of the incident released by the cops. Stops just before the moment obviously. The instructors last words are, 'Alright! Full auto!' before flicking the switch on the gun.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2734769/Ar...

Darwin at work I believe.

Any find it slightly distasteful that the clip on the DM website is preceeded by a sky movies avert proclaiming " a summer of adventure"?

I swear we are being phalanxed to the hilt....

[mackie1]

Guam said:

Here we will differ then, the odd thing here is would the same parents give that child a pack of fags and a lighter?

Why is one socially unacceptable and yet the other isn't?

One will kill them slowly over many years, the other will dispense death instantly, are these two positions not hypocritical?

I don't see any parallels between the two. If you're doing it right then no instant death will be dispensed. Exactly what scenarios are you imagining?

[Mr Will]

Soov535 said:

We live in a society where all the bad people have guns, and the good people have "never held a gun".

How safe are you feeling?

Quite safe thanks. If both sides have guns then the bad people will be more likely to be armed and be more likely to shoot first ask questions later. Escalation of violence doesn't benefit anyone.

[wolves_wanderer]

Soov535 said:

We live in a society where all the bad people have guns, and the good people have "never held a gun".

How safe are you feeling?

I think it is slightly hyperbolic to suggest that all the bad people have guns but even so; we don't need armed guards in schools and shopping centres so pretty safe actually.

[hairykrishna]

Guam said:

Yes but under age sex isn't typically going to kill them is it, that's the issue I have, I was introduced to guns quite young (Lee Enfield 303 at 12), with the bulk of my firearms training in the Military, even there under extremely disciplined conditions, I still witnessed episodes of utter stupidity. Do we really need to introduce children to the concept of taking life for any reason?

Lets be blunt if the parents have done their job correctly the weapons will be under child proof restriction, so they wont get to them unsupervised. In that case what does teaching kids about weapons actually achieve?

I can see it both ways really. It's easy to foresee situations where kids might encounter guns in the US, even if their parents are responsible - houses of friends of the family for example. I think if they're given a bit of training like the basics of firearm safety and how to make a loaded weapon safe then that can only be a good thing.

This is obviously a world away from encouraging a kid to play with a sub machine-gun as seems to have happened in this case.

[hairykrishna]

Soov535 said:

We live in a society where all the bad people have guns, and the good people have "never held a gun".

How safe are you feeling?

Actually we live in a society where only a very small fraction of the bad people have a gun.

[JonRB]

hairykrishna said:

I can see it both ways really. It's easy to foresee situations where kids might encounter guns in the US, even if their parents are responsible - houses of friends of the family for example. I think if they're given a bit of training like the basics of firearm safety and how to make a loaded weapon safe then that can only be a good thing.

This is obviously a world away from encouraging a kid to play with a sub machine-gun as seems to have happened in this case.

Yes, I completely agree.

[Mr Trophy]

hairykrishna said:

Soov535 said:

We live in a society where all the bad people have guns, and the good people have "never held a gun".

How safe are you feeling?

Actually we live in a society where only a very small fraction of the bad people have a gun.

We've also been brought up in a society to believe that "guns are bad"

[onyx39]

Mr Trophy said:

hairykrishna said:

Soov535 said:

We live in a society where all the bad people have guns, and the good people have "never held a gun".

How safe are you feeling?

Actually we live in a society where only a very small fraction of the bad people have a gun.

We've also been brought up in a society to believe that "guns are bad"

That's because we invariably only hear about them when they have been used for bad (or in this case tragic) situations.

[hman]

Uzi's are reknowned for being a gun too short for its recoil, especially on full auto, the rounds per minute rate is mental !!

[hman]

3:35 full grown woman on full auto watch the muzzle climb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSbc1bv5ReE


Ps nice tits!

[Nom de ploom]

One might say that if the guns weren't there in the first place children wouldn't need training or advice about how to use them or make them safe etc....

just a thought....