Tory MP defection.
Discussion
schmunk said:
ralphrj said:
there is now the potential for 2 UKIP candidates to be on the same ballot paper.
Now that would be a good old-fashioned UKIP clanger...
Roger Lord - UKIP PPC for Clacton said:
"If they think they can walk up to me and push me then I’ll push back,” he vowed. “I’ve never run away from anything. Until they fire me, shoot me, or blow me out of the party for being a rebel, then I’m here."
Existing UKIP PPC for Clacton Vows to Fight On (Independent)
t crazy - he just told SkyNews re Carswell:"If we don't get answers then we will rip his throat out". schmunk said:
unrepentant said:
Walford said:
Europe is failing, we can all see that, we need to get control of our boarders before the wheel falls of Europe completely,
Yeah, get control of those pesky boarders. Make sure they do their full hour of prep each night or close the tuck shop!schmunk said:
ralphrj said:
there is now the potential for 2 UKIP candidates to be on the same ballot paper.
Now that would be a good old-fashioned UKIP clanger...(the 'old' being subjective, of course)
BBC said:
UKIP said its ruling body had decided that Mr Carswell would be the party's candidate at the by-election, making clear that this decision superseded arrangements which may have been in place for a general election.
So the swivel eyed loony who was selected by the local party has been dumped in favour of this loony come lately character and the local party can go take a running jump? Sounds like New Labour! I think if the local nutters have already selected their loony of choice that should be it. They can't just parachute in this other guy just because he happens to be more bonkers than the other bloke and appeals more to the fag chomping nutter who runs the party. Or can they? Either way it's a complete cluster. I hope they both run. 
unrepentant said:
So the swivel eyed loony who was selected by the local party has been dumped in favour of this loony come lately character and the local party can go take a running jump? Sounds like New Labour! I think if the local nutters have already selected their loony of choice that should be it. They can't just parachute in this other guy just because he happens to be more bonkers than the other bloke and appeals more to the fag chomping nutter who runs the party. Or can they? Either way it's a complete cluster. I hope they both run.
A rather good UKIP bash here: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-he...
Digga said:
A rather good UKIP bash here: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-he...
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you...Timsta said:
Digga said:
A rather good UKIP bash here: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-he...
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you...Digga said:
Timsta said:
Digga said:
A rather good UKIP bash here: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-he...
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you...Digga said:
A rather good UKIP bash here: http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-he...
Cameron at hearing Carswell news
BlackLabel said:
I hear this more and more now. Many conservatives view Cameron's Tories as Labour-lite and are willing to sacrifice the 2015 election in the hope that a 'proper' conservative takes charge and leads the party to a win 5 years later. I can understand this to a certain extent however PM Miliband and Chancellor Balls is quite a scary proposition.
Cameron's Tories are a lot more right wing than almost all other previous Tory governments. Esseesse said:
You're assuming that historic Conservative voters care. Many conservative voters would rather the non conservative Conservatives continually lost until they change. We'll never see a conservative government while this lot are squatting on the name.
It's quite debilitating having debates with people who think the Thatcher years epitomised classic Conservatism. It's quite the opposite in fact.
Never ceases to amaze me how people try and offer an opinion based on history when they don't even research history.
TKF said:
league67 said:
Nottingham University's Matthew Goodwin said:
So I do not think he will struggle at all to win the election under the UKIP banner - [partly] because of the demographics in Clacton, which are ideal for UKIP - this is a struggling, coastal seat, lots of older, white voters, few minority voters, it's classic left-behind territory - voters who feel they are not getting a say in Westminster, who feel they are getting left behind economically.
Quelle surprise.Wonder how many they picked up in 'your area'? care to tell us?
Especially as the BNP picked up that sort of percentage in many 'sort of areas' in 2010.
4.6% clearly shows one thing, not that it is that 'sort of area' but that it is a minority vote (note it wasn't even 5%, but nothing like distortion eh?).
But you seem to think it something else.
oyster said:
BlackLabel said:
I hear this more and more now. Many conservatives view Cameron's Tories as Labour-lite and are willing to sacrifice the 2015 election in the hope that a 'proper' conservative takes charge and leads the party to a win 5 years later. I can understand this to a certain extent however PM Miliband and Chancellor Balls is quite a scary proposition.
Cameron's Tories are a lot more right wing than almost all other previous Tory governments. Esseesse said:
You're assuming that historic Conservative voters care. Many conservative voters would rather the non conservative Conservatives continually lost until they change. We'll never see a conservative government while this lot are squatting on the name.
It's quite debilitating having debates with people who think the Thatcher years epitomised classic Conservatism. It's quite the opposite in fact.
Never ceases to amaze me how people try and offer an opinion based on history when they don't even research history.
It also never ceases to amaze me that some people believe it. Here's a bit more history:
After losing the 1979 GE the labour party lurched to the left. They stayed out of power for 18 years
After losing the 1997 GE the conservative party lurched to the right. They haven't won an election outright since then, and would not have had a majority government for 18 years.
Those who preach that the conservative party should move further to the right to get their "true" supporters back are essentially the mirror image of Arthur Scargill and the loony left back in the 80s who thought that all that was needed was a further move to the left, and they would then romp back to power.
The UK population like, and vote for, centrist governments. The only exception to that rule since the introduction of universal suffrage was the 1979 conservative victory, and that had more to do with excessive power being wielded by the trades unions than a desire within the population for a right wing government.
There comes a time, when it is clear the medicine isn't working, to stop increasing the dose. The right of the political spectrum in the UK may not have realised it yet.
Edited because I apparently don't know me left from me right
Edited by rs1952 on Friday 29th August 17:50
dandarez said:
TKF said:
league67 said:
Nottingham University's Matthew Goodwin said:
So I do not think he will struggle at all to win the election under the UKIP banner - [partly] because of the demographics in Clacton, which are ideal for UKIP - this is a struggling, coastal seat, lots of older, white voters, few minority voters, it's classic left-behind territory - voters who feel they are not getting a say in Westminster, who feel they are getting left behind economically.
Quelle surprise.Wonder how many they picked up in 'your area'? care to tell us?
Especially as the BNP picked up that sort of percentage in many 'sort of areas' in 2010.
4.6% clearly shows one thing, not that it is that 'sort of area' but that it is a minority vote (note it wasn't even 5%, but nothing like distortion eh?).
But you seem to think it something else.
The population is mainly white and ageing with a very small ethnic mix. Prime real estate for the xenophobic right wing parties like UKIP and the BNP.
IIRC it was considered the most likely constituency to elect a UKIP MP.
rs1952 said:
It also never ceases to amaze me that some people believe it. Here's a bit more history:
After losing the 1979 GE the labour party lurched to the left. They stayed out of power for 18 years
After losing the 1997 GE the conservative party lurched to the right. They haven't won an election outright since then, and would not have had a majority government for 18 years.
Those who preach that the conservative party should move further to the right to get their "true" supporters back are essentially the mirror image of Arthur Scargill and the loony left back in the 80s who thought that all that was needed was a further move to the left, and they would then romp back to power.
The UK population like, and vote for, centrist governments. The only exception to that rule since the introduction of universal suffrage was the 1979 conservative victory, and that had more to do with excessive power being wielded by the trades unions than a desire within the population for a right wing government.
There comes a time, when it is clear the medicine isn't working, to stop increasing the dose. The right of the political spectrum in the UK may not have realised it yet.
You're quite right and your argument stands in most places, not just the UK.After losing the 1979 GE the labour party lurched to the left. They stayed out of power for 18 years
After losing the 1997 GE the conservative party lurched to the right. They haven't won an election outright since then, and would not have had a majority government for 18 years.
Those who preach that the conservative party should move further to the right to get their "true" supporters back are essentially the mirror image of Arthur Scargill and the loony left back in the 80s who thought that all that was needed was a further move to the left, and they would then romp back to power.
The UK population like, and vote for, centrist governments. The only exception to that rule since the introduction of universal suffrage was the 1979 conservative victory, and that had more to do with excessive power being wielded by the trades unions than a desire within the population for a right wing government.
There comes a time, when it is clear the medicine isn't working, to stop increasing the dose. The right of the political spectrum in the UK may not have realised it yet.
Conservative activists would like to move to the right, ditto their membership I'm sure. The public however dislike extremes on either wing. It's a lesson the republicans in the USA have still not learned. Candidates tack far to the right to appease their base in order to get the nomination and then can't tack back to the centre when it comes to broadening their appeal.
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff