5 Year Old Cancer Patient Abducted By Parents From Hospital!
Discussion
Bill said:
creampuff said:
Do YOU want the state telling you and your family what MUST happen to them in hospital and where you ALLOWED to go?
Shouldn't the police and hospital do their best for the child, and shouldn't that include protecting the child from poor decisions by the parents?bazza white said:
Tbh I feel sorry for the poor boy. I'm guessing he needs painkillers and a constant hydration feed which his parents can't provide so no its not in the child's best interests to take him from hospital and do a runner.
As you say, you're 'guessing'.You don't know. None of us do. Yet.
bazza white said:
He's on a food feed system which has been confirmed.
You weren't guessing then?But bottom line is nobody (apart from the parents - or poss hospital staff?) know why they have done this 'runner'.
Perhaps they should (might) attend a hospital in France?
Who knows? Nobody. Yet.
Well about this battery running out. From the BBC:
"According to Ian Pople, a consultant neurosurgeon, the battery in the feeding machine used by Ashya can't be changed easily.
It is integrated with the machine, much like an iPhone, and it means the machine has to be taken apart to replace the battery.
It's also not designed to be run on batteries for a long period and is usually plugged into mains."
They are really in the poo poo now as it is a well known fact that there is no mains electricity in France and infact the entire France still uses steam power.
"According to Ian Pople, a consultant neurosurgeon, the battery in the feeding machine used by Ashya can't be changed easily.
It is integrated with the machine, much like an iPhone, and it means the machine has to be taken apart to replace the battery.
It's also not designed to be run on batteries for a long period and is usually plugged into mains."
They are really in the poo poo now as it is a well known fact that there is no mains electricity in France and infact the entire France still uses steam power.
-Z- said:
Reports now that the family may have been given the "he has x months to live" talk 
Apparently only diagnosed a month ago....... So so tragic
Well within their rights IMO.
Tallies with what I was pondering at work earlier. I'm guessing by their names that the family are recent (in terms of generations) immigrants to the UK, and I was thinking perhaps they wanted to take the boy 'home' while they still could. Very, very sad. Apparently only diagnosed a month ago....... So so tragic
Well within their rights IMO.
I'm assuming the parents do not have the charging lead to keep the feed machine charged, the boy will then suffer from dehydration. I note he can tolerate fluids but I'm guessing that'll be sips rather than enough to keep him hydrated.
Secondly, the hospital will be acting in the patients best interests. They will not have involved the police unless it was absolutely necessary. Parents do not have the right to consent or withhold treatment, the doctors will make the decisions for the child taking into account the parents wishes.
I'd think this boy would be on high doses of steroids and to suddenly remove these steroids would cause significant issues, he will be having no pain relief and be very weak. I understand what people are saying about maybe making this a nicer end but it could be so much more controlled for the poor boy.
Secondly, the hospital will be acting in the patients best interests. They will not have involved the police unless it was absolutely necessary. Parents do not have the right to consent or withhold treatment, the doctors will make the decisions for the child taking into account the parents wishes.
I'd think this boy would be on high doses of steroids and to suddenly remove these steroids would cause significant issues, he will be having no pain relief and be very weak. I understand what people are saying about maybe making this a nicer end but it could be so much more controlled for the poor boy.
K77 CTR said:
Secondly, the hospital will be acting in the patients best interests. They will not have involved the police unless it was absolutely necessary. Parents do not have the right to consent or withhold treatment, the doctors will make the decisions for the child taking into account the parents wishes.
You don't know that. Anything involving children has high levels of state scrutiny. The hospital will have been obliged to inform the police as a butt covering excercise to protect themselves from criticism arising from past instances of not informing the police in the small number of cases where police involvement is warranted. It may have also been a case of child does not reappear after offsite visit with parents, parents can't be contacted, police get informed as a precaution. All of your post is an assumption; you are guessing this and guessing that. You don't even know if the machine came with a wall plug or not or if it didn't if you can buy a standard plug that fits for £1.49 at Tesco. Or Carrefour.
creampuff said:
K77 CTR said:
Secondly, the hospital will be acting in the patients best interests. They will not have involved the police unless it was absolutely necessary. Parents do not have the right to consent or withhold treatment, the doctors will make the decisions for the child taking into account the parents wishes.
You don't know that. Anything involving children has high levels of state scrutiny. The hospital will have been obliged to inform the police as a butt covering excercise to protect themselves from criticism arising from past instances of not informing the police in the small number of cases where police involvement is warranted. It may have also been a case of child does not reappear after offsite visit with parents, parents can't be contacted, police get informed as a precaution. All of your post is an assumption; you are guessing this and guessing that. You don't even know if the machine came with a wall plug or not or if it didn't if you can buy a standard plug that fits for £1.49 at Tesco. Or Carrefour.
creampuff said:
"According to Ian Pople, a consultant neurosurgeon, the battery in the feeding machine used by Ashya can't be changed easily.
It is integrated with the machine, much like an iPhone, and it means the machine has to be taken apart to replace the battery.
It's also not designed to be run on batteries for a long period and is usually plugged into mains."
If this is right then it's probable they have the power lead for the feed unit.It is integrated with the machine, much like an iPhone, and it means the machine has to be taken apart to replace the battery.
It's also not designed to be run on batteries for a long period and is usually plugged into mains."
Look up nutricia flocare infinity enteral pumps, that is the most likely pump he has, not the easiest charger to find. If his parents were just 'popping' off the ward the nurses most likely just unplugged the charger to prevent it getting lost.
Local police now think they could be in spain.
Local police now think they could be in spain.
creampuff said:
The reporting by Hampshire Police (on their feed) and the BBC is a disgrace.
They repeatedly state he was taken without consent.
There are photos of the whole family all over the news like they are criminals.
They are not criminals, they have done nothing illegal and nothing that requires anybodys consent.
The boy has already been subject to extensive medical treatment which indicates anything to do with anti-treatment or anti-blood transfusion Jehovah's Witness stuff is BS.
Do YOU want the state telling you and your family what MUST happen to them in hospital and where you ALLOWED to go?
Shocking indeed. They repeatedly state he was taken without consent.
There are photos of the whole family all over the news like they are criminals.
They are not criminals, they have done nothing illegal and nothing that requires anybodys consent.
The boy has already been subject to extensive medical treatment which indicates anything to do with anti-treatment or anti-blood transfusion Jehovah's Witness stuff is BS.
Do YOU want the state telling you and your family what MUST happen to them in hospital and where you ALLOWED to go?
methinks there's a strong possibility Plod see something to gain out of this case....
Really torn on this one - I can see the argument about the patients best interests but if it is terminal then perhaps he would be better out of hospital.
Is the hospitals aim to keep the boy alive at any cost and for as long as possible? I know its slightly different from someone who may wish to die (i.e an older person) but perhaps this would lead to a quicker ending. Although of course it could be a painful one with no medicine.
Is the hospitals aim to keep the boy alive at any cost and for as long as possible? I know its slightly different from someone who may wish to die (i.e an older person) but perhaps this would lead to a quicker ending. Although of course it could be a painful one with no medicine.
I don't think the hospitals aim is to keep the boy alive for as long as possible, more to make sure he is comfortable and pain free.
The Police will be working for the child's best interest, these being in hospital and comfortable.
Until the boy is said to be comfortable in a hospital abroad then they could be looking at a child abuse case?
The Police will be working for the child's best interest, these being in hospital and comfortable.
Until the boy is said to be comfortable in a hospital abroad then they could be looking at a child abuse case?
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