5 Year Old Cancer Patient Abducted By Parents From Hospital!
Discussion
king disgrace.0000 said:
dickymint said:
Can i ask has the lad been diagnosed terminally ill? As stated on the Sky News banner?
Months to live apparently. Hence the parents urgency.0000 said:
dickymint said:
Can i ask has the lad been diagnosed terminally ill? As stated on the Sky News banner?
Months to live apparently. Hence the parents urgency.Guam said:
There is a lot of debate about the Proton Beam therapy and lots of comment out there that what the parents want may well work for this child.
Whats your take on this Hairy as its your bailiwick?
Really it's hard to know without knowing the precise details of his tumour. Protons certainly do appear to offer advantages in some cases of this class of tumour - clinical evidence still being gathered but I think most would agree that it seems likely. The advantage would be in reduced chance of side effects rather than in tumour control. This avantage could easily be very marginal in a lot of cases when compared to normal IMRT. Depending on how ill he is, the risk of transporting him to another country for photons has to be thought about.Whats your take on this Hairy as its your bailiwick?
I can see why the parents would want it. I can also see why a clinician might decide it wasn't a good idea.
hairykrishna said:
Depending on how ill he is, the risk of transporting him to another country for photons has to be thought about.
I can see why the parents would want it. I can also see why a clinician might decide it wasn't a good idea.
So since he has already traveled to a foreign country, stopping him from having the treatment - which is what the authorities seem intent on doing just appears to be petty. I can see why the parents would want it. I can also see why a clinician might decide it wasn't a good idea.
So far I can deduce the following:
1. UK citizens are members of a European State which allows freedom of movement between countries within the EU
2. Parents are able to choose any private hospital for treatment(and bear the costs)
3. UK citizens who have a European property are free to travel to that property whenever they like
4. All EU citizens benefit from the Human Rights At which ensures a right to family life
Which is why we are now discussing parents being arrested and imprisoned for taking their child out of a UK hospital to their house in Spain with a plan to have him treated in another EU member state hospital and being forcibly separated from their child.
Fortunately we have the Deputy Prime Minister stating his outrage in his usual powerful and unequivocal way:
"I personally think that throwing the full force of the law at Mr and Mrs King, who appear to be doing what they believe to be best for their own family, I don't think is an appropriate thing to do. But that, at the end of the day, is for the police and the CPS and others to decide"
1. UK citizens are members of a European State which allows freedom of movement between countries within the EU
2. Parents are able to choose any private hospital for treatment(and bear the costs)
3. UK citizens who have a European property are free to travel to that property whenever they like
4. All EU citizens benefit from the Human Rights At which ensures a right to family life
Which is why we are now discussing parents being arrested and imprisoned for taking their child out of a UK hospital to their house in Spain with a plan to have him treated in another EU member state hospital and being forcibly separated from their child.
Fortunately we have the Deputy Prime Minister stating his outrage in his usual powerful and unequivocal way:
"I personally think that throwing the full force of the law at Mr and Mrs King, who appear to be doing what they believe to be best for their own family, I don't think is an appropriate thing to do. But that, at the end of the day, is for the police and the CPS and others to decide"
hornetrider said:
There's an example in this thread of someone writing off a different treatment due to poor understanding of the medicine behind it: Someone brought up the increased risk of breast cancer with some HRT and contraceptive pills as evidence that "big Pharma" only cares about profit. But for someone with a no other risk factors a doubling of the likelihood of breast cancer means that it's still highly unlikely and a 0.1% increase in the risk is worth it vs the reduction in symptoms or the chances of pregnancy compared to another pill.
When the Mail first ran with the story thousands of women stopped taking the pill, and plenty of those got pregnant. The risk of complications in pregnancy is vastly higher than the likelihood of breast cancer with the pill...
chris1roll said:
Russ T Bolt said:
I signed this one for what it's worth
https://www.change.org/p/police-reunite-ashya-with...
I agree with many of the above points.
I can't believe the wealthy/powerful people who couldn't back the McCanns quickly enough are conspicuous by their absence.
Just watched the Hampshire PCC on TV trying to justify the Police action.
For a politician I think he has completely misread the public reaction to this.
The change.org one above is the one most likely to be taken notice of, as they will be personally handing it in.https://www.change.org/p/police-reunite-ashya-with...
I agree with many of the above points.
I can't believe the wealthy/powerful people who couldn't back the McCanns quickly enough are conspicuous by their absence.
Just watched the Hampshire PCC on TV trying to justify the Police action.
For a politician I think he has completely misread the public reaction to this.
It looks to have really taken off, in the past 5 minutes its increased by 200 signatures, now over 50k and counting.
Reading that you'd think that 'all' doctors simply and really do know best.
In this case the doctors threaten the parents with a court order.
Wonderful!
In all walks of life from the road sweeper to policeman to politician to doctor to consultant, it has to be realised there are plenty who do not conform to the ideal. I've met plenty of them in the medical profession.
From those who are absolutely brilliant, like the Canadian surgeon who calmly explained what he would do as I carried my then recently born daughter up the stairs to the operating theatre, he saved my daughter's life.
To the consultant whose people skills were zero. My wife had been left in labour far too long hence her in the end needing a urgent complicated caesarean section. The consultant's words to me at the point of my despair and worry about the condition of my wife were these:
'My concern is for the child ...not the mother.'
Still rings in my ears.
In this case the doctors threaten the parents with a court order.
Wonderful!
In all walks of life from the road sweeper to policeman to politician to doctor to consultant, it has to be realised there are plenty who do not conform to the ideal. I've met plenty of them in the medical profession.
From those who are absolutely brilliant, like the Canadian surgeon who calmly explained what he would do as I carried my then recently born daughter up the stairs to the operating theatre, he saved my daughter's life.
To the consultant whose people skills were zero. My wife had been left in labour far too long hence her in the end needing a urgent complicated caesarean section. The consultant's words to me at the point of my despair and worry about the condition of my wife were these:
'My concern is for the child ...not the mother.'
Still rings in my ears.
hornetrider said:
Excellent article. andoverben said:
hairykrishna said:
Depending on how ill he is, the risk of transporting him to another country for photons has to be thought about.
I can see why the parents would want it. I can also see why a clinician might decide it wasn't a good idea.
So since he has already traveled to a foreign country, stopping him from having the treatment - which is what the authorities seem intent on doing just appears to be petty. I can see why the parents would want it. I can also see why a clinician might decide it wasn't a good idea.
I think they went to Spain to sell a house. I'm not aware that they've arranged for him to have treatment anywhere yet.
An ambulance chaser has been in touch.
From:
http://varnished.dailyecho.co.uk/news/11445851.Ash...
The Southampton Chip Wrapper said:
THE lawyer for the family of brain cancer patient Ashya King says they will sue Southampton General Hospital.
Juan Isidro Fernandez Diaz, who is representing Brett and Naghmeh King, claimed the family will take legal action against doctors.
He said: “They will be taking legal action against the doctors who libelled him in the hospital and they will file a criminal complaint for false detention and libel.”
Mr Diaz said the couple ''wanted the very best for their child''.
He said: ''They never thought that they committed any crime in the UK.
''The child is in perfect condition. All the doctors said (there was) no problem with the child to travel from England to Spain because the father knows (how) to give treatment to the child
''We are saying the boy is not in danger. The big brother is with the boy and he is in perfect conditions.''
Juan Isidro Fernandez Diaz, who is representing Brett and Naghmeh King, claimed the family will take legal action against doctors.
He said: “They will be taking legal action against the doctors who libelled him in the hospital and they will file a criminal complaint for false detention and libel.”
Mr Diaz said the couple ''wanted the very best for their child''.
He said: ''They never thought that they committed any crime in the UK.
''The child is in perfect condition. All the doctors said (there was) no problem with the child to travel from England to Spain because the father knows (how) to give treatment to the child
''We are saying the boy is not in danger. The big brother is with the boy and he is in perfect conditions.''
From:
http://varnished.dailyecho.co.uk/news/11445851.Ash...
A silver lining in all of this is that if the boy is suitable for proton beam therapy then the family will be able to take him to any clinic in the world - they wont be restricted by cost because I imagine that donations are going to be flying in given the publicity this case has received.
mph1977 said:
Eclassy said:
<snip>I guess to 'legally' remove her son from an NHS hospital before his brain was fried with basic radiotheraphy.
<snip>
what a suprprise we'vbe got eclassy joining unREALIST in their blind advocatign of things they really don;t understand <snip>
as i have said previously there is a lot of quackery and woo out there about proven treatment , lots of scare stories and use of threatening and ominous language, combined with mis understanding of statistics an basic science
unfortuantely there are alot of 'anti proven clinical therapy' people out there spouting their woo based on misunderstandings of basic science.
the Hospital are stating the King family refused a Second Opinion - NHS second Opinions are free and you cvan ask for any relevant NHS clinician to provide the second Opinion (although obviously they have to agree to do so . )
When i worked ina tertiary unit if someone requested a second opinion they were offered the choice of a consultant from one of the two closest equivalent services if thery didn;t want the Other consultant in our service to provide the Second Opinion ... in certain situations consultants from other specialities may be suggested as valid second sources of a second Opinion ... but after the flounce and the apparanent total disengagement of the Kings' with eh Hospital - which will have heightened the risks in the view of lay and legal managment within the trust
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