5 Year Old Cancer Patient Abducted By Parents From Hospital!
Discussion
technogogo said:
Isn't that just hindsight? At the time it likely appeared to be an urgent situation to the cops and docs. Inability to know how prepared parents were. And though it appears no harm done, a certain amount of luck may have been involved in terms of lack of infection control etc?.... Hotel rooms are not as clean as hospitals. Actually forget that last bit!
ye,no harm done,just throw the parents in a spanish jail for a few days and all will be well.wc98 said:
technogogo said:
Isn't that just hindsight? At the time it likely appeared to be an urgent situation to the cops and docs. Inability to know how prepared parents were. And though it appears no harm done, a certain amount of luck may have been involved in terms of lack of infection control etc?.... Hotel rooms are not as clean as hospitals. Actually forget that last bit!
ye,no harm done,just throw the parents in a spanish jail for a few days and all will be well.
Murph7355 said:
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BIANCO said:
Money doesn’t grow on trees, ok give lets give 1000 patients £1 million treatments even if it may not save their life. And when you, me or your children turn up with a leg hanging off and all they do is put a plaster on because that’s all they can afford, sounds good.
Sure. They're not being very honest about it though, or it seems supporting parents willing to pay for treatments.It's unsustainable as it is currently operated. It tries to cover too much for too many people. And with the country not having a pot to piss in, something radical needs to be done or we'll have far more than these sorts of treatment to worry about.
CBE for NHS England's Lead for Equality and Diversity in Dec. 2013:
http://www.sdhct.nhs.uk/aboutus/newsandpublication...
January 2014, the same NHS England Lead for Equality and Diversity was found to have persecuted two of her employees that thought it was a bit off her giving a job to her daughter's boyfriend:
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article39744...
I don't know how many pots there are to urinate in on their gravy train?
I had a tumour as a child so I have grounds to be thankful of the NHS. The NHS isn't there to provide private thiefdoms for the supposed Great and the Good. How many Directors in that NHS Trust went along with targeting the two whistle blowers and lying and covering up? Is it two other Directors that have 'resigned'? Reports were 'suppressed'? Just like Rotherham then.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Kings have been smeared like Penny Gates and Clair Sardari was. Smearing by the public sector is another of those Great British Values that Cameron, Gove and May go on about.
Edited by carinaman on Tuesday 2nd September 21:41
Good news that there seems to be some common sense being applied. Now let's hope that there is a successful treatment out there for the little boy who really matters in all of this.
I was thinking about the family's use of YouTube and their very open and honest (it appears) telling of their version of events, is this the first time that media and public opinion (and political opinion I'd guess given Nick Clegg's statement this morning) has been so obviously swayed and influenced by the "victims" being able to put their version of events across in such a public and credible way?
I was thinking about the family's use of YouTube and their very open and honest (it appears) telling of their version of events, is this the first time that media and public opinion (and political opinion I'd guess given Nick Clegg's statement this morning) has been so obviously swayed and influenced by the "victims" being able to put their version of events across in such a public and credible way?
Daily Mail reports parens release from prison
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2740408/Ashya-Kings-brother-Danny-finally-allowed-visit-hospital.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2740408/Ashya-Kings-brother-Danny-finally-allowed-visit-hospital.html
Piglet said:
I was thinking about the family's use of YouTube and their very open and honest (it appears) telling of their version of events, is this the first time that media and public opinion (and political opinion I'd guess given Nick Clegg's statement this morning) has been so obviously swayed and influenced by the "victims" being able to put their version of events across in such a public and credible way?
Why do you think the "Police and Gov" want to control it? 
TheSnitch said:
You are a perfect example of what is wrong with the NHS.
enlighten me as why I am 'perfect example of what is wrong with the NHS ' - despite my strong criticism of NHS management methods. It is interesting how people seem to consider it important to follow the expert of advice of every group of professionals except health professionals when it's better to follow the poor journalistism and unreferenced, none peer-reviewed stuff on the internet ...
It is also interestign how many people have styonrg but ultimately erroneous views of how a Hospital's duty of care manifests towards inpatients ( whether children or adults)- again damned they do act and damned if they don't...
Every tom dick and harriet posting on these threads has been convinced of how wrong the Police, the Council and the NHS were - unforutnately child protection has only one outcome for organisations they are damned if they act and damned if they do not act.
You have a Right to a Second Opinion and that Second Opinion as a right can be from an outside clinician of an appropriate specialist background, you only need ask
So many people ready to jump on the back of the police and NHS, but would the same people have been fine with the police doing nothing if the kid had died?
How many times do we hear outcry at the local services for not following up on 'at risk children' and when they do the get vilified for it.
This all could have been avoided with a phone call from the family, who have shown they don't mind posting videos, but incapable of using a phone.
Also if the proton treatment does not work, who will they come crawling back to for assistance.
How many times do we hear outcry at the local services for not following up on 'at risk children' and when they do the get vilified for it.
This all could have been avoided with a phone call from the family, who have shown they don't mind posting videos, but incapable of using a phone.
Also if the proton treatment does not work, who will they come crawling back to for assistance.
VeeDubBigBird said:
So many people ready to jump on the back of the police and NHS, but would the same people have been fine with the police doing nothing if the kid had died?
How many times do we hear outcry at the local services for not following up on 'at risk children' and when they do the get vilified for it.
This all could have been avoided with a phone call from the family, who have shown they don't mind posting videos, but incapable of using a phone.
Also if the proton treatment does not work, who will they come crawling back to for assistance.
This case is an example of the state overstepping its bounds, like Menezes or Tomlinson.How many times do we hear outcry at the local services for not following up on 'at risk children' and when they do the get vilified for it.
This all could have been avoided with a phone call from the family, who have shown they don't mind posting videos, but incapable of using a phone.
Also if the proton treatment does not work, who will they come crawling back to for assistance.
The concerning part of this story is to ask the question, what if it had been me and my family?
The saving grace for the family was they were able to publicise their side of the story, just like the video evidence in Tomlinson. The father showed he was rational, considered and attempting to do what was best for his child, unlike the spin placed on it by the BBC.
If they had not publicised the story, the powers who determined they were committing "neglect", would now have their child, be applying their determined treatment on the child, with the parents facing a long and expensive court battle.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 3rd September 07:27
mph1977 said:
You have a Right to a Second Opinion and that Second Opinion as a right can be from an outside clinician of an appropriate specialist background, you only need ask
[quote=QuantumTokoloshi]
This case is an example of the state overstepping its bounds, like Menezes or Tomlinson.
The concerning part of this story is to ask the question, what if it had been me and my family?
They put their childs life at risk and failed to notify the authorities they would be travelling across Europe with a kid who needs machines to keep him alive, pretty damn close to neglect.
and the next time a kid is beaten or left for dead by their parents will you stand up for the police and social services for not getting involved.
This case is an example of the state overstepping its bounds, like Menezes or Tomlinson.
The concerning part of this story is to ask the question, what if it had been me and my family?
They put their childs life at risk and failed to notify the authorities they would be travelling across Europe with a kid who needs machines to keep him alive, pretty damn close to neglect.
and the next time a kid is beaten or left for dead by their parents will you stand up for the police and social services for not getting involved.
VeeDubBigBird]uantumTokoloshi said:
This case is an example of the state overstepping its bounds, like Menezes or Tomlinson.
The concerning part of this story is to ask the question, what if it had been me and my family?
They put their childs life at risk and failed to notify the authorities they would be travelling across Europe with a kid who needs machines to keep him alive, pretty damn close to neglect.
and the next time a kid is beaten or left for dead by their parents will you stand up for the police and social services for not getting involved.
So if my child is sick, I need to ask permission to move him? From whom and why? The child is my responsibility not the state.The concerning part of this story is to ask the question, what if it had been me and my family?
They put their childs life at risk and failed to notify the authorities they would be travelling across Europe with a kid who needs machines to keep him alive, pretty damn close to neglect.
and the next time a kid is beaten or left for dead by their parents will you stand up for the police and social services for not getting involved.
Machines to keep him alive ? It is a feeding machine and they were well prepared and even had a power cord for it! who would have guessed that. The spin placed on the story by the hospital and police was good scaremongering fare but the rebuttal was better.
Police and social services not getting involved, Like Rotherham perhaps ? Suppression of inconvenient reports, pressure placed on whistle blowers, non investigation of 1000's of abuse claims and how many officials have been sanctioned or even lost their jobs in the 10 + years this has been going on ? Currently None, expect the same in this case.
The easy target got the arrow.
Was this case handled correctly? No. This open a much wider discuss, about the state and it powers in relation to the individual firstly and secondly, the determination of and how these powers are exercised and finally the oversight on them.
Again pose the question, what if it had been my family?
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 3rd September 09:01
dickymint said:
mph1977 said:
You have a Right to a Second Opinion and that Second Opinion as a right can be from an outside clinician of an appropriate specialist background, you only need ask
It also means that vexatious second opinion requests / 'consultant shopping' can be controlled by the currently accountable clinician ( i.e GP or current inpatient consultant )
TheSnitch said:
In many cases, as soon as a bed becomes free in an NHS hospital, it is almost immediately re-occupied by someone else. If you are lucky, they will get clean bedding and a swipe over the mattress with a bit of sanitiser.
Give me an hotel bed any day. Generally speaking someone hasn't shat in it, pissed in it, vomited on it, leaked bodily fluids all over it, or died in it.
Unless it's in Blackpool, obviously.
Time to point some things out.Give me an hotel bed any day. Generally speaking someone hasn't shat in it, pissed in it, vomited on it, leaked bodily fluids all over it, or died in it.
Unless it's in Blackpool, obviously.
Beds , tables , lockers and chairs are thoroughly cleaned between admissions. Ironically PFI buildings are often better for this because it's in the SLA.
Hospital Mattresses and the current generation of hospital beds are designed for ease of cleaning. Any Damage to the skin of a hospital mattress is grounds for the mattress to be removed from use and inspected - if the inner material is contaminated the whole lot is junked.
Hotel rooms are notoriously grubby when actually assessed properly and those nice fluffy pillows and nice mattress are not designed to be cleaned ...
Well, yes. And most Medivac firms prefer a flight with qualified medical staff on board. But that's not important right now.
But it'll make a great film. Hugh Grant as the father, Christopher Lee as the evil and incompetent neurosurgeon and Vinnie Jones as the head of the Hampshire constabulary.
But it'll make a great film. Hugh Grant as the father, Christopher Lee as the evil and incompetent neurosurgeon and Vinnie Jones as the head of the Hampshire constabulary.
mph1977 said:
Time to point some things out.
What you don't point out is how many a year die of hospital acquired infections. I can also point out that I have three friends who are medics, so you know as well as I do that the official numbers are lower than reality (the same as the numbers killed by junior doctor error and so on).
And all this "doctor knows best" and "best treatment" s**t. Chemo is NOT a nice treatment. It is f***ng dangerous.
True, but death is even more dangerous. JandJ, I wonder if your apparent enthusiasm for so called "alternative"medicine (AKA woo) is influencing your view here.
I have no view on the right treatment for this child. I am glad that the (to my mind) inappropriate legal process directed at the parents has been discontinued.
I have no view on the right treatment for this child. I am glad that the (to my mind) inappropriate legal process directed at the parents has been discontinued.
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