5 Year Old Cancer Patient Abducted By Parents From Hospital!
Discussion
Bill said:
Well, yes. And most Medivac firms prefer a flight with qualified medical staff on board. But that's not important right now.
But it'll make a great film. Hugh Grant as the father, Christopher Lee as the evil and incompetent neurosurgeon and Vinnie Jones as the head of the Hampshire constabulary.
I think that Vinnie Jones comes across as too intellectual to be the Chief Constable of Hampshire. But it'll make a great film. Hugh Grant as the father, Christopher Lee as the evil and incompetent neurosurgeon and Vinnie Jones as the head of the Hampshire constabulary.
Jasandjules said:
mph1977 said:
Time to point some things out.
What you don't point out is how many a year die of hospital acquired infections. I can also point out that I have three friends who are medics, so you know as well as I do that the official numbers are lower than reality (the same as the numbers killed by junior doctor error and so on).
And all this "doctor knows best" and "best treatment" s**t. Chemo is NOT a nice treatment. It is f***ng dangerous.
no-one dare do a proper screening for resistant Staph. Aureaus - near enough everyone carries some type of Staph aureaus on their skin / in their respiratory tract ...
resistant Staph is exacerbated by the whole gamut of issues associated with mis use of antibiotics resulting in resistance - there are 2 main sets of actors in the mis use of Anti biotics, Doctors - especially some GPs who will prescribe inappropriately and indiscriminately and Patients who do not finish the course.
C. diff and Noro virus short of putting people into a bubble once they ill there is not a huge ampount that can be done beyond do ing what is in current recommendations and doing it propely,
Unfortunately there are too many lay middle managers/political commissars and clippy -cloppy-shoed Nurse MisManagers to make changes to allow better support to wards hwere there is an outbreak - because you have to have meetings about meetings and meetingsa with the equality and diversity people before taking any decision.
That's assuming you aren't avoiding making decisions ( or going on record as having made the decision) to try and push the accountability for your crap decision on the poor band 5 in the firing line when it all falls down - and yes mr or ms Band 7 or 8 a Registered Nurse 'Bed Manager' if you want to move a patient outside the parameters given by the admitting team you can damn well write why in the notes and not expect the band 5 acting Nurse in Charge ( funny how when push comes to shove they are happy for you to do a band 6 job with 20% less staff - but ask the band 6s to be Nurse and charge and have patients and they spit the dummy) on AAU or the band 5 on the recieving ward to carry the can becasue it's their name last on the Nursing notes.
An unlikely assumption in modern times. My mum, my brother, my aunt, and three close friends have undergone chemotherapy. Several more distant acquaintances have undergone such treatment. Some got better, some didn't. Their doctors used evidence based treatments tested by scientific methods. Some times these methods avail. Some times they don't.
Jasandjules said:
And all this "doctor knows best" and "best treatment" s**t. Chemo is NOT a nice treatment. It is f***ng dangerous.
Chemo's not nice. Neither's radiotherapy, proton or conventional. Surgery is also pretty grim. All of them can help keep people alive.If the kid in the news was going to have chemo plus conventional RT he'll almost certainly still have to have chemo if he has protons.
So if my child is sick, I need to ask permission to move him? From whom and why? The child is my responsibility not the state.
Duty of Care exists between doctor and patient too.
From your comments the hospital should just ignore when a critically ill child goes missing as long as they believe it was their parents who took him.
Machines to keep him alive ?
The feeding machine provided by the NHS wasn't attached for aesthetic reasons, and i'd be damned if you can find many places to buy attachments for them, expecting it to run out of juice is a reasonable assumption since the parents didn't bother to tell the hospital they could take care of him.
Police and social services not getting involved, Like Rotherham perhaps ?
You complain when the authorities get involved then complain about another case when they didn't get involved, so which is it ?
Was this case handled correctly?
No. This open a much wider discuss, about the state and it powers in relation to the individual firstly and secondly, the determination of and how these powers are exercised and finally the oversight on them.
Agree with this point, however the media frenzy and sob stories from the family about their persecution will have blinded most to give an accurate judgement. This explains why so many in the care community are afraid to make any decisions because of this kind of backlash and will lead to another Rotherham incident.
Again pose the question, what if it had been my family?
If it was my child I'd follow the advice of the experts who knew the specifics of my son's condition not Google or wiki pages by a 3rd party private clinic looking to bring in extra business on a procedure still
Duty of Care exists between doctor and patient too.
From your comments the hospital should just ignore when a critically ill child goes missing as long as they believe it was their parents who took him.
Machines to keep him alive ?
The feeding machine provided by the NHS wasn't attached for aesthetic reasons, and i'd be damned if you can find many places to buy attachments for them, expecting it to run out of juice is a reasonable assumption since the parents didn't bother to tell the hospital they could take care of him.
Police and social services not getting involved, Like Rotherham perhaps ?
You complain when the authorities get involved then complain about another case when they didn't get involved, so which is it ?
Was this case handled correctly?
No. This open a much wider discuss, about the state and it powers in relation to the individual firstly and secondly, the determination of and how these powers are exercised and finally the oversight on them.
Agree with this point, however the media frenzy and sob stories from the family about their persecution will have blinded most to give an accurate judgement. This explains why so many in the care community are afraid to make any decisions because of this kind of backlash and will lead to another Rotherham incident.
Again pose the question, what if it had been my family?
If it was my child I'd follow the advice of the experts who knew the specifics of my son's condition not Google or wiki pages by a 3rd party private clinic looking to bring in extra business on a procedure still
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aiui from the news last night the hospital they're at in Spain doesn't offer proton beam therapy (hence the Czech hospital references). In which case they moved their seriously ill child across Europe to go sell their holiday home. Which will take months, assuming they can sell it at all.
Have they moved him to a reknown cancer unit?
They are, IMO, idiots.
Have they moved him to a reknown cancer unit?
They are, IMO, idiots.
I think that's a (little) bit of a leap. They might have just been trying to move him out of the way of over zealous control orders (admittedly didn't work too well!) until the Czech lot are ready for the next phase. In which case, if they have a holiday home in Spain I'm not sure why they'd go anywhere else. That they'll look to sell the holiday home to pay for the treatment when the payment doesn't need to be made up front and there's no need to be there in person to sell a house is probably secondary.
I don't get the impression the father is particularly intelligent, I do think he's quite a long way down the list of people who've done their best to screw the situation up though.
I don't get the impression the father is particularly intelligent, I do think he's quite a long way down the list of people who've done their best to screw the situation up though.
VeeDubBigBird said:
So if my child is sick, I need to ask permission to move him? From whom and why? The child is my responsibility not the state.
Duty of Care exists between doctor and patient too.
From your comments the hospital should just ignore when a critically ill child goes missing as long as they believe it was their parents who took him.
Machines to keep him alive ?
The feeding machine provided by the NHS wasn't attached for aesthetic reasons, and i'd be damned if you can find many places to buy attachments for them, expecting it to run out of juice is a reasonable assumption since the parents didn't bother to tell the hospital they could take care of him.
Police and social services not getting involved, Like Rotherham perhaps ?
You complain when the authorities get involved then complain about another case when they didn't get involved, so which is it ?
Was this case handled correctly?
No. This open a much wider discuss, about the state and it powers in relation to the individual firstly and secondly, the determination of and how these powers are exercised and finally the oversight on them.
Agree with this point, however the media frenzy and sob stories from the family about their persecution will have blinded most to give an accurate judgement. This explains why so many in the care community are afraid to make any decisions because of this kind of backlash and will lead to another Rotherham incident.
Again pose the question, what if it had been my family?
If it was my child I'd follow the advice of the experts who knew the specifics of my son's condition not Google or wiki pages by a 3rd party private clinic looking to bring in extra business on a procedure still
Absolutely none of the above justifies the use of the draconian European Arrest Warrant. Surely the CPS and Chief Constable knew it was a sledgehammer to crack a nut? How would extraditing the parents ever have helped the child? It was, and remains, a quite disgraceful abuse of power.Duty of Care exists between doctor and patient too.
From your comments the hospital should just ignore when a critically ill child goes missing as long as they believe it was their parents who took him.
Machines to keep him alive ?
The feeding machine provided by the NHS wasn't attached for aesthetic reasons, and i'd be damned if you can find many places to buy attachments for them, expecting it to run out of juice is a reasonable assumption since the parents didn't bother to tell the hospital they could take care of him.
Police and social services not getting involved, Like Rotherham perhaps ?
You complain when the authorities get involved then complain about another case when they didn't get involved, so which is it ?
Was this case handled correctly?
No. This open a much wider discuss, about the state and it powers in relation to the individual firstly and secondly, the determination of and how these powers are exercised and finally the oversight on them.
Agree with this point, however the media frenzy and sob stories from the family about their persecution will have blinded most to give an accurate judgement. This explains why so many in the care community are afraid to make any decisions because of this kind of backlash and will lead to another Rotherham incident.
Again pose the question, what if it had been my family?
If it was my child I'd follow the advice of the experts who knew the specifics of my son's condition not Google or wiki pages by a 3rd party private clinic looking to bring in extra business on a procedure still
Andy Zarse said:
Absolutely none of the above justifies the use of the draconian European Arrest Warrant. Surely the CPS and Chief Constable knew it was a sledgehammer to crack a nut? How would extraditing the parents ever have helped the child? It was, and remains, a quite disgraceful abuse of power.
Can't really get past the above comment. I cannot comment on his treatment or the NHS stand point but the CPS and the Police once again show how out of touch they are with reality.I wonder how much this debacle has cost so far, anywhere near the £90k needed for the private treatment perhaps?.
http://www.uhs.nhs.uk/AboutTheTrust/Newsandpublica...
Clueless f
kwits still talking about "consent". Plainly they have learned nothing from their idiocy. Never back down, never apologise, always be right.
Clueless f
kwits still talking about "consent". Plainly they have learned nothing from their idiocy. Never back down, never apologise, always be right.Breadvan72 said:
http://www.uhs.nhs.uk/AboutTheTrust/Newsandpublica...
Clueless fkwits still talking about "consent". Plainly they have learned nothing from their idiocy. Never back down, never apologise, always be right.
'On 28 August 2014, during unsupervised leave on the Trust’s grounds, Ashya’s family chose to remove him without informing or seeking the consent of medical staff.'Clueless f
kwits still talking about "consent". Plainly they have learned nothing from their idiocy. Never back down, never apologise, always be right.If that short paragraph doesn't send a shudder down the spine regarding state/petty officialdom control, I really don't know what will.
Bill said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aiui from the news last night the hospital they're at in Spain doesn't offer proton beam therapy (hence the Czech hospital references). In which case they moved their seriously ill child across Europe to go sell their holiday home. Which will take months, assuming they can sell it at all.
Have they moved him to a reknown cancer unit?
They are, IMO, idiots.
They moved him to stop the hospital from starting brain frying radiotheraphy on him.Have they moved him to a reknown cancer unit?
They are, IMO, idiots.
Why would it take months to sell their home. Surely a cash buyer would buy it in a week or less if there is a massive discount.
Breadvan72 said:
It is easy for us to be calm and rational when the sick child is not ours. These parents are probably feeling rather desperate and may not be acting with utmost rationality, but that does not excuse the huge over reaction by the State.
Agreed, and the European arrest warrant in particular was way over the top, but they can't just ignore the fact that some parents have removed their seriously ill child against medical advice when they have no idea how prepared they are. Had something happened en route they'd have been trying to find a foreign A&E while on the move and distraught. The pump and feed stopped him dehydrating or starving but they had no way to deal with vomiting or an aspiration, his temperature control is probably way off, he's physically weakened post surgery and there were six(?) of them wedged in an MPV. What they did was very risky, and for absolutely no benefit.
People here have compared this to the McCanns. They took a small risk which, one way or another, went badly wrong. The Kings took a vastly bigger risk but (thankfully) got away with it.
Eclassy said:
Bill said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aiui from the news last night the hospital they're at in Spain doesn't offer proton beam therapy (hence the Czech hospital references). In which case they moved their seriously ill child across Europe to go sell their holiday home. Which will take months, assuming they can sell it at all.
Have they moved him to a reknown cancer unit?
They are, IMO, idiots.
They moved him to stop the hospital from starting brain frying radiotheraphy on him.Have they moved him to a reknown cancer unit?
They are, IMO, idiots.
Why would it take months to sell their home. Surely a cash buyer would buy it in a week or less if there is a massive discount.
Breadvan72 said:
Bill, as usual, I agree with you. What concerns me is the authoritarian mindset indicated by the hospital and the police.
so it's authoritarian to take your duty of care towards to seriously ill minor seriously ? oh yes i forget the Kings are persons of means so normal rules don't apply in the PH world , where the law exists only to line ones powerfully built pockets and as you 'pay the wages ' of Professionals working in health and social care they should be directed solely to deal with 'chavs' and 'muzzies' ?
I see the McCann Paradox at play again ...
Edited by mph1977 on Thursday 4th September 10:58
Breadvan72 said:
Wootabulous! Radiotherapy doesn't fry your brain, but reading some stuff on the internet might! As for trying to shift a holiday property in Spain in a hurry, good luck with that!
BS.... You know what I mean by 'fry your brain' basic radiotheraphy would have damaged surrounding tissue which will inturn lead to other organ failure. PBT minimises this risk.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff