5 Year Old Cancer Patient Abducted By Parents From Hospital!
Discussion
Andy Zarse said:
mph1977 said:
grumbledoak said:
Bill said:
The NHS were predicting a 90+% (I can't remember the exact figure...) chance of a cure.
Oh give over. The NHS were offering a 90% chance of turning the kid into a vegetable. He clearly has had better treatment than was being threatened by the NHS. Well done the parents for not being bullied, and best of luck to the kid on his continued recovery.
again another PHer wasted on here and who can obviously do much better than actual oncologists with access to all the clinical information ...
unfortunately the demands for full information giving in healthcare can and do backfire when patients / parents willfully misunderstand the full and correct but rather technical both clinically and statistically information demanded by the vocal minority ...
Edited by mph1977 on Monday 23 March 08:19
However, you demonstrate a lack of understanding, or any empathy for, the family's plight. You express yourself with a unique coldness and absence of compassion. Your refusal to accept medical perspectives other than your own and your antagonism and condescension towards other posters, presumably from a position of greater knowledge, diminishes your clinical contributions.
Consequently I find you a somewhat sinister individual.
eldar said:
My understanding is that proton beam therapy, in this case, would not improve the chances of 'cure', but could reduce the likelihood and/or severity of any side effects. Is there truth in that, or have I misunderstood?
Possibly, as proton beam therapy is more targeted than conventional radiotherapy, but this benefit comes at a risk. The problem with medulloblastoma is that it can spread through the cerebrospinal fluid, with tiny deposits of cancerous cells away from the 'primary' cancer. Therefore the benefit of conventional radiotherapy is that the spinal column and rest of the brain are irradiated as well, potentially killing these cells distant to the primary tumour site. Now this may lead to more side effects, but is also likely to lead to less recurrence. Targeted therapy such as proton beam therapy may lead to less side effects, but if you don't irradiate the whole brain and spinal cord you risk missing cancerous cells that have spread. The cancers that proton beam therapy is of proven benefit are those where it is beneficial for the irradiation to be precisely targeted, such as retinal tumours, which don't spread in the same way.tdog7 said:
Possibly, as proton beam therapy is more targeted than conventional radiotherapy, but this benefit comes at a risk. The problem with medulloblastoma is that it can spread through the cerebrospinal fluid, with tiny deposits of cancerous cells away from the 'primary' cancer. Therefore the benefit of conventional radiotherapy is that the spinal column and rest of the brain are irradiated as well, potentially killing these cells distant to the primary tumour site. Now this may lead to more side effects, but is also likely to lead to less recurrence. Targeted therapy such as proton beam therapy may lead to less side effects, but if you don't irradiate the whole brain and spinal cord you risk missing cancerous cells that have spread. The cancers that proton beam therapy is of proven benefit are those where it is beneficial for the irradiation to be precisely targeted, such as retinal tumours, which don't spread in the same way.
Thanks, a clear explanation. Makes things a lot more understandable for me.TwigtheWonderkid said:
HenryJM said:
the bottom line in my view is that reporting on from the Mail is scandalously bad done by journalists who have no clue what this is about.
Wow. And here's me thinking they only employed the finest medical journalists!The Mail's entire strategy is to peddle sensationalism, more often that not at the expense of the (whole) truth.
youngsyr said:
I really don't understand why people (a) read the Mail and (b) having read the Mail, expect to be anything but annoyed by the way a story is reported.
The Mail's entire strategy is to peddle sensationalism, more often that not at the expense of the (whole) truth.
Sure, it's just a shame that they publish it and people with little knowledge seem to believe it. The Mail's entire strategy is to peddle sensationalism, more often that not at the expense of the (whole) truth.
HenryJM said:
youngsyr said:
I really don't understand why people (a) read the Mail and (b) having read the Mail, expect to be anything but annoyed by the way a story is reported.
The Mail's entire strategy is to peddle sensationalism, more often that not at the expense of the (whole) truth.
Sure, it's just a shame that they publish it and people with little knowledge seem to believe it. The Mail's entire strategy is to peddle sensationalism, more often that not at the expense of the (whole) truth.
tdog7 said:
. . . . but to suggest that this case demonstrates that the NHS doctors were wrong, and the parents right is nothing short of ridiculous.
Perhaps, but - for me - the most concerning part of the story was the huge abuse by the state of its power (and I'm an employee of the state!). Insider or not, we are familiar on a daily basis with the complete f
king uselessness of 'authority' . . . we ignore paedophiles, we can't find anybody who has anything to do with FGM, we can't convict rapists, terrorists come and go with little inconvenience . . . but disagree with your child's doctor and we'll chuck Police resources pan-Europe at it untill you're secure in a foreign jail (and it is conceivable that their child could have died surrounded by strangers as a result).Edited by Octoposse on Monday 23 March 12:16
Octoposse said:
Insider or not, we are familiar on a daily basis with the complete fking uselessness of 'authority' . . . we ignore paedophiles, we can't find anybody who has anything to do with FGM, we can't convict rapists, terrorists come and go with little inconvenience . . . but disagree with your child's doctor and we'll chuck Police resources pan-Europe at it untill you're secure in a foreign jail (and it is conceivable that their child could have died surrounded by strangers as a result).
king uselessness of 'authority' . . . we ignore paedophiles, we can't find anybody who has anything to do with FGM, we can't convict rapists, terrorists come and go with little inconvenience . . . but disagree with your child's doctor and we'll chuck Police resources pan-Europe at it untill you're secure in a foreign jail (and it is conceivable that their child could have died surrounded by strangers as a result).
youngsyr said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
HenryJM said:
the bottom line in my view is that reporting on from the Mail is scandalously bad done by journalists who have no clue what this is about.
Wow. And here's me thinking they only employed the finest medical journalists!The Mail's entire strategy is to peddle sensationalism, more often that not at the expense of the (whole) truth.
They usually get the date right.
Lost soul said:
Octoposse said:
Insider or not, we are familiar on a daily basis with the complete fking uselessness of 'authority' . . . we ignore paedophiles, we can't find anybody who has anything to do with FGM, we can't convict rapists, terrorists come and go with little inconvenience . . . but disagree with your child's doctor and we'll chuck Police resources pan-Europe at it untill you're secure in a foreign jail (and it is conceivable that their child could have died surrounded by strangers as a result).
king uselessness of 'authority' . . . we ignore paedophiles, we can't find anybody who has anything to do with FGM, we can't convict rapists, terrorists come and go with little inconvenience . . . but disagree with your child's doctor and we'll chuck Police resources pan-Europe at it untill you're secure in a foreign jail (and it is conceivable that their child could have died surrounded by strangers as a result).supersingle said:
Prepare to be accused of sociopathy and narcissism
why ?Andy appears to, perhaps, confuse empathy and compassion with sympathy, which is fairly common among none Health Professionals when looking at what Health Professionals say and write ... (apologies to Andy if he is a Health professional but I get the impression not)
To an extent this is about professional socialisation and to some extent part of the psychological self protection mechanisms of health professionals by maintaining a degree of emotional seperation.
Octoposse said:
tdog7 said:
. . . . but to suggest that this case demonstrates that the NHS doctors were wrong, and the parents right is nothing short of ridiculous.
Perhaps, but - for me - the most concerning part of the story was the huge abuse by the state of its power (and I'm an employee of the state!). Insider or not, we are familiar on a daily basis with the complete f
king uselessness of 'authority' . . . we ignore paedophiles, we can't find anybody who has anything to do with FGM, we can't convict rapists, terrorists come and go with little inconvenience . . . but disagree with your child's doctor and we'll chuck Police resources pan-Europe at it untill you're secure in a foreign jail (and it is conceivable that their child could have died surrounded by strangers as a result).Edited by Octoposse on Monday 23 March 12:16
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Octoposse said:
tdog7 said:
. . . . but to suggest that this case demonstrates that the NHS doctors were wrong, and the parents right is nothing short of ridiculous.
Perhaps, but - for me - the most concerning part of the story was the huge abuse by the state of its power (and I'm an employee of the state!). Insider or not, we are familiar on a daily basis with the complete f
king uselessness of 'authority' . . . we ignore paedophiles, we can't find anybody who has anything to do with FGM, we can't convict rapists, terrorists come and go with little inconvenience . . . but disagree with your child's doctor and we'll chuck Police resources pan-Europe at it untill you're secure in a foreign jail (and it is conceivable that their child could have died surrounded by strangers as a result).Edited by Octoposse on Monday 23 March 12:16
Add in some actual outright lies from the hospital to exaggerate the situation around the little lad's feeding needs and potential risks/problems thereof... and we have a pretty nasty picture.
I've had some similar problems on a much, much smaller and less dramatic scale. A tiny tiny minority of doctors (I dare say broadly the same proportion as the general population, but with too much power) become immensely aggressive in the face of any kind of disagreement and if you're unlucky enough, things can escalate extremely suddenly with absolutely no warning, with the potential for utterly horrific consequences.
BlackVanDyke said:
This, exactly.
Add in some actual outright lies from the hospital to exaggerate the situation around the little lad's feeding needs and potential risks/problems thereof... and we have a pretty nasty picture.
I've had some similar problems on a much, much smaller and less dramatic scale. A tiny tiny minority of doctors (I dare say broadly the same proportion as the general population, but with too much power) become immensely aggressive in the face of any kind of disagreement and if you're unlucky enough, things can escalate extremely suddenly with absolutely no warning, with the potential for utterly horrific consequences.
I'd like to see those parents get away with fleeing to France this week:Add in some actual outright lies from the hospital to exaggerate the situation around the little lad's feeding needs and potential risks/problems thereof... and we have a pretty nasty picture.
I've had some similar problems on a much, much smaller and less dramatic scale. A tiny tiny minority of doctors (I dare say broadly the same proportion as the general population, but with too much power) become immensely aggressive in the face of any kind of disagreement and if you're unlucky enough, things can escalate extremely suddenly with absolutely no warning, with the potential for utterly horrific consequences.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3006792/10...
As part of NATO the US Navy accept European Arrest Warrants?
BlackVanDyke said:
Add in some actual outright lies from the hospital to exaggerate the situation around the little lad's feeding needs and potential risks/problems thereof... and we have a pretty nasty picture.
If that is the case then I trust those liars are currently under arrest.....Jasandjules said:
BlackVanDyke said:
Add in some actual outright lies from the hospital to exaggerate the situation around the little lad's feeding needs and potential risks/problems thereof... and we have a pretty nasty picture.
If that is the case then I trust those liars are currently under arrest.....johnxjsc1985 said:
what I remember is the heavy handed state arresting parents trying to do what they felt was best for their own son.
An arrogant man with Doctor Complex threatening to take the decision/child from them, prompting them to flee, then straight onto the Stasi and the parents are not even safe abroad. A frightening insight into our grumbledoak said:
An arrogant man with Doctor Complex threatening to take the decision/child from them, prompting them to flee, then straight onto the Stasi and the parents are not even safe abroad. A frightening insight into our Good news the boy and the family seem to be doing well
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