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Oh dear Derek, you really do have a chip on your shoulder don't you. Perhaps the way Judges dress doesn't please you, however the reason they dress like that is 'tradition'. It is their uniform. It is accepted, I'm sure you know all that. Let me guess at your political leanings......you lean towards the left?
All legal Court dress is absurd, although the costumes worn by Judges when actually working are far less elaborate than the ceremonial outfit shown above, and in the High Court and Court of Appeal for most civil cases Judges no longer wear wigs (the exception is in the Divisional Court). In the Supreme Court the Judges just wear ordinary business clothes. I would love it if we lawyers gave up the silly outfits, which serve no sensible purpose.
By the way, most European countries have legal costumes that can make ours look plain.
By the way, most European countries have legal costumes that can make ours look plain.
JensenA said:
Oh dear Derek, you really do have a chip on your shoulder don't you. Perhaps the way Judges dress doesn't please you, however the reason they dress like that is 'tradition'. It is their uniform. It is accepted, I'm sure you know all that. Let me guess at your political leanings......you lean towards the left?
My politics are non-directional. If I was to rate the three best PMs we've had in my lifetime, two would be tory. But the worst would also be tory.In the post the way I was leaning was towards humour. The judge made a comment about the way a brief was dressed. I produced an image of a judge dressed rather ridiculously. It is hardly political.
My views on judges, at least those I have worked closely with, have been the subject of more than one post on here.
Breadvan72 said:
All legal Court dress is absurd, although the costumes worn by Judges when actually working are far less elaborate than the ceremonial outfit shown above, and in the High Court and Court of Appeal for most civil cases Judges no longer wear wigs (the exception is in the Divisional Court). In the Supreme Court the Judges just wear ordinary business clothes. I would love it if we lawyers gave up the silly outfits, which serve no sensible purpose.
By the way, most European countries have legal costumes that can make ours look plain.
Indeed. By the way, most European countries have legal costumes that can make ours look plain.
I was told by a nurse that when doctors stopped wearing distinctive uniforms and were less easy to identify, patients became calmer when approached. Yet the opposite happened when I was in CID. As soon as you produced a warrant card or identified yourself as old bill, even the innocent, at least innocent in the terms of the inquiry, became hesitant.
Derek Smith said:
Indeed.
I was told by a nurse that when doctors stopped wearing distinctive uniforms and were less easy to identify, patients became calmer when approached. Yet the opposite happened when I was in CID. As soon as you produced a warrant card or identified yourself as old bill, even the innocent, at least innocent in the terms of the inquiry, became hesitant.
Was that a slip, 'at least innocent in terms of the inquiry' I was told by a nurse that when doctors stopped wearing distinctive uniforms and were less easy to identify, patients became calmer when approached. Yet the opposite happened when I was in CID. As soon as you produced a warrant card or identified yourself as old bill, even the innocent, at least innocent in the terms of the inquiry, became hesitant.
Breadvan72 said:
The bloke's web presence and adoption of self aggrandising bogus titles etc suggest that his eccentricity extends beyond dress. His reported comments in response to the Judge's remarks make Lord Hoo Hah sound like a right knob.
I just read it all again and have to agree with you. I would certainly never instruct him.Derek Smith said:
Just to clarify: this is a judge telling a lawyer how to dress?
Now I'm no dedicated follower of fashion but I know who to ask if I want to check that I'm smart yet stylish, and that's not a judge.
I've seen them in their finery, parading along the road looking like demented parrots on LSD, and restrained is not the first word that springs to mind. Indeed, this judge used the word vulgarity in his criticism and I would suggest that out of the two, an embroidered badge on a black gown ain't even in the running.
Now this is a glass house:
Even the lackey is wearing white gloves.
A bit like the photo they used of the judge in this story. I now know who to talk to if I want to buy a pair of tights. I think a couple of ribbons is a bit tame. Now I'm no dedicated follower of fashion but I know who to ask if I want to check that I'm smart yet stylish, and that's not a judge.
I've seen them in their finery, parading along the road looking like demented parrots on LSD, and restrained is not the first word that springs to mind. Indeed, this judge used the word vulgarity in his criticism and I would suggest that out of the two, an embroidered badge on a black gown ain't even in the running.
Now this is a glass house:
Even the lackey is wearing white gloves.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2737680/Yo...
Breadvan72 said:
All legal Court dress is absurd, although the costumes worn by Judges when actually working are far less elaborate than the ceremonial outfit shown above, and in the High Court and Court of Appeal for most civil cases Judges no longer wear wigs (the exception is in the Divisional Court). In the Supreme Court the Judges just wear ordinary business clothes. I would love it if we lawyers gave up the silly outfits, which serve no sensible purpose.
By the way, most European countries have legal costumes that can make ours look plain.
Not just legal costumes "Guard changing in Greece"By the way, most European countries have legal costumes that can make ours look plain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUDF3RqLljI
Mr Daytona said:
This is uncomfortable - I've now got it in my head that BV72 has gigabytes of memory devoted to Judges and their various costumes - all types of costumes.
I could have happily lived my life without thinking that.
Hey, they're only little teeny tiny people, just like the ones in the pornos. Er, what? I could have happily lived my life without thinking that.
I was called to the uniform tailors one morning and I trotted over, only to find that I was to be fitted with 'No. 1s', uniform in the style of the original police force in 1828, i.e. top hat and tails, high collar and boots. In those days I was slim and just the right height.
Like any sensible person with some degree of dignity, I refused point blank to make a spectacle of myself.
The tailor sighed and then said: 'You know you get an allowance don;t you.' So I became a clothes horse.
The uniform was surprisingly uncomfortable. It was difficult to sit down and the collar was only bearable if you didn't turn your head, face up or face down. Or look straight ahead.
Like any sensible person with some degree of dignity, I refused point blank to make a spectacle of myself.
The tailor sighed and then said: 'You know you get an allowance don;t you.' So I became a clothes horse.
The uniform was surprisingly uncomfortable. It was difficult to sit down and the collar was only bearable if you didn't turn your head, face up or face down. Or look straight ahead.
Cotty said:
Not just legal costumes "Guard changing in Greece"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUDF3RqLljI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUDF3RqLljI
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