Father kills sons mugger

[bitchstewie]

Incidentally does anyone know how accurate "Find my iPhone" is? i.e. feet or street?

[grumbledoak]

None of this would have been necessary or possible if the previous judges had locked the wker up for longer for his previous crimes.

As said, a shame about the father's eye.

[dudleybloke]

grumbledoak said:

None of this would have been necessary or possible if the previous judges had locked the wker up for longer for his previous crimes.

As said, a shame about the father's eye.

This.

[Foppo]

I would have been looking for him but without a knive.

I have said before our prisons are revolving doors, and these thugs do their robbing raping etc.Over and over again.

Our justice and police system is a farce that is why people take the law in their own hands.

[Hugo a Gogo]

CAPP0 said:

John145 said:

Error of judgement to bring a knife

Would it be correct to ponder that if he hadn't taken his own knife with him, but had somehow disarmed the mugger of the mugger's knife after being stabbed and used that in self-defence, the custodial outcome would have been different?

I wouldn't have done what he die, but that would have been my defence if I had

[Butter Face]

bhstewie said:

Incidentally does anyone know how accurate "Find my iPhone" is? i.e. feet or street?

Within a few metres I think

I left mine in a B&Q recently. Logged on, sent it a message and they called me within 10 mins saying it had been found.

[otolith]

Piersman2 said:

He should have contacted the Police... at least that way he'd have a crime number rather than a prison sentence.

Quite.

[Pesty]

Axionknight said:

Maybe if policing and law enforcement weren't so ineffectual in the UK this chap wouldn't have felt the need to take matters into his own hands.

Ten prior convictions and still up to his usual tricks, it is frankly shameful that despite many prior run ins with the police this chap was still on the streets and continuously allowed to break the law with little or no recourse.

that

[zygalski]

Call in the flying squad, COBRA meetings etc.
Was an iPhone after all.

[Rude-boy]

For a Phone? Should have called the Police and let them handle it. Sure fairly lame but if the bloke has no trouble pulling a knife to get the phone you can be fairly sure he'll pull it to keep it. It's also better to stay on the correct side of the law.

The other error of the father was to take a knife to a knife fight...

[dudleybloke]

Further evidence that the UK needs a 3 strikes law.

[rollondeath]

Rude-boy said:

For a Phone? Should have called the Police and let them handle it. Sure fairly lame but if the bloke has no trouble pulling a knife to get the phone you can be fairly sure he'll pull it to keep it. It's also better to stay on the correct side of the law.

The other error of the father was to take a knife to a knife fight...

It's not just about a phone though is it, probably put the fear of death into the young lad. They should have given the father a community action trust award and let him go.

[Rude-boy]

dudleybloke said:

Further evidence that the UK needs a 3 strikes law.

To a degree I agree but there are a lot of problems with that law where people like the father have found themselves on 3 strikes in one day. In addition people who were once bad boys then years later find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Regardless we do need to find a way to educate people that if you get caught robbing 5 times or more it isn't really a good career for you...

[ITP]

You're right it's only a phone, which would have been the view of the police, completely missing the point of course that there is a knife waving mugger to be removed from the streets. With a free location given to them.

Pity we don't have the '3 strikes and you're out' system. Dead mugger would have still been alive in prison (7 crimes ago) and dad would still have 2 eyes.

[LoFiHamster2]

Piersman2 said:

He should have contacted the Police... at least that way he'd have a crime number rather than a prison sentence.

The Judge must live in some perfectionist cloud cuckoo land if he thinks the police would have done anything effective over an Iphone.

Just to confirm that they wouldn't - my ex had her iPhone stolen from her purse one night. The next morning, we confirmed its location with the Find My Phone thing, and passed this information to the police. Nothing was done.

(Admittedly, this was opportunistic theft rather than an armed mugging, so probably slightly lower on the police's priorities).

[zygalski]

dudleybloke said:

Further evidence that the UK needs a 3 strikes law.

rollondeath said:

It's not just about a phone though is it, probably put the fear of death into the young lad. They should have given the father a community action trust award and let him go.

Life sentences for armed muggers & community service for murderers.
Makes sense.

[otolith]

zygalski said:

Life sentences for armed muggers & community service for murderers.
Makes sense.

Nobody was murdered.

[Phil Dicky]

Axionknight said:

Maybe if policing and law enforcement weren't so ineffectual in the UK this chap wouldn't have felt the need to take matters into his own hands.

Ten prior convictions and still up to his usual tricks, it is frankly shameful that despite many prior run ins with the police this chap was still on the streets and continuously allowed to break the law with little or no recourse.

That's the fault of the Courts not the Police.

[saaby93]

Phones can be quite personal
Do you want your phone back or do you want someone else to find it for you?

[Getragdogleg]

On the plus side the thief is dead.