Hmmmm... not good....Stolen airliners in Libya...
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Seven Airbus 320s, one Airbus 330, two French ATR-42 turboprop aircraft, and four Bombardier CRJ-900s.
They are blacklisted on the european airspace so as soon as their transponder turns up on radar.. Oh wait they can be turned off....
EDIT. please tell me im not the only one who thought the link was freebacon.......
They are blacklisted on the european airspace so as soon as their transponder turns up on radar.. Oh wait they can be turned off....
EDIT. please tell me im not the only one who thought the link was freebacon.......
Edited by TinyCappo on Wednesday 3rd September 11:14
el stovey said:
vescaegg said:
An unknown large aircraft even remotely being directed at a western country would not get very far these days id imagine.
I'm not convinced, MH370 didn't have too much problem being undetected simply by turning off the transponder. There are lots of western countries a large low flying jet could reach before being detected, identified and then for a military aircraft to scramble and reach and get permission to shoot it down. That process would take quite a long time.
With Barry lost on the golf course for 99% of the time and Dave out surfing and planning his next photo opportunity it all doesn't look so good.
Four Litre said:
el stovey said:
vescaegg said:
An unknown large aircraft even remotely being directed at a western country would not get very far these days id imagine.
I'm not convinced, MH370 didn't have too much problem being undetected simply by turning off the transponder. There are lots of western countries a large low flying jet could reach before being detected, identified and then for a military aircraft to scramble and reach and get permission to shoot it down. That process would take quite a long time.
How likely is it that the intelligence services know there whereabouts of these planes?
Rocksteadyeddie said:
Moonhawk said:
First of all - you have the small problem of getting an internet connection on board an airliner.
Second - how 'live' and accurate is this map. I clicked on a few ships on this map - and it appears that the transponder signals are sent intermittently. Some of the ships I found had uploaded positional data as long ago as 40 minutes. At a cruising speed of 12 knots that could put the ships position out by over 9 miles.
Hitting a ship that you know is there is one thing - but finding a ship (let alone a specific one) from a commercial airliner is a whole different ballgame.
You'd have to have a pretty specific targets to cause major disruption. Hitting a cargo ship full of rubber dog s#it out of Hong Kong is unlikely to impact anyone except joke shop owners in Blackpool.
I think that's mainly flown in and out. I saw a documentary on it once. I think it was a documentary anyway.Second - how 'live' and accurate is this map. I clicked on a few ships on this map - and it appears that the transponder signals are sent intermittently. Some of the ships I found had uploaded positional data as long ago as 40 minutes. At a cruising speed of 12 knots that could put the ships position out by over 9 miles.
Hitting a ship that you know is there is one thing - but finding a ship (let alone a specific one) from a commercial airliner is a whole different ballgame.
You'd have to have a pretty specific targets to cause major disruption. Hitting a cargo ship full of rubber dog s#it out of Hong Kong is unlikely to impact anyone except joke shop owners in Blackpool.
TheJimi said:
Four Litre said:
el stovey said:
vescaegg said:
An unknown large aircraft even remotely being directed at a western country would not get very far these days id imagine.
I'm not convinced, MH370 didn't have too much problem being undetected simply by turning off the transponder. There are lots of western countries a large low flying jet could reach before being detected, identified and then for a military aircraft to scramble and reach and get permission to shoot it down. That process would take quite a long time.
How likely is it that the intelligence services know there whereabouts of these planes?
Or are they not that big?
Most ATC's still have what is known as Primary Radar. This is the "classic" reflection of radio waves giving a location of an object in the air. It is range limited hence long over sea flights have to be tracked by other means. I believe that any "object" approaching Europe or the USA without a transponder on will be tracked and handed over to Military Control. These days as well as the RAF's QRA and the various NATO QRA's the USAF has a QRA on the East coast for NORAD and Washington DC. The DC QRA should be able to cover New York as well.
onyx39 said:
Can't believe we haven't heard more about this if it's true and there's a link here suggesting it's not crediblehttp://www.janes.com/article
telecat said:
Most ATC's still have what is known as Primary Radar. This is the "classic" reflection of radio waves giving a location of an object in the air. It is range limited hence long over sea flights have to be tracked by other means. I believe that any "object" approaching Europe or the USA without a transponder on will be tracked and handed over to Military Control. These days as well as the RAF's QRA and the various NATO QRA's the USAF has a QRA on the East coast for NORAD and Washington DC. The DC QRA should be able to cover New York as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_ZoneTinyCappo said:
Saudi?
Yes, there are sects of Islamic extremists who hate Saud. Depends on who they are. Remember, these nuts were killing each other long before us.Saudi oilfields are an economic target that would cause much disruption to Western economies if hit, just by optics alone. Saud is on the TV constantly warning of US/Euro attacks by ISIS; or are you of the school that they are behind all of this?
Edited by Jimbeaux on Wednesday 3rd September 15:04
How much damage could you cause to the world's economy if you just forced all commercial planes to be grounded for say 24 hours? You would not even need a target. Just take to the skies and fly in random directions all over the globe. Keep a couple back in a hanger somewhere to keep folks guessing. Governments rush to shut down airspace and you've then pretty much distrupted the lives of thousands of people and cost them a shed load of money in the process.
Or have I been watching too much tv?
Or have I been watching too much tv?
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