Hmmmm... not good....Stolen airliners in Libya...
Discussion
Would terrorists be able to get a large airliner like this within 100 miles of the border of a western nation without being shot down?
The only reason the 9/11 attacks worked was because by the time anyone knew the planes were under enemy control - it was too late to do anything about it.
The only reason the 9/11 attacks worked was because by the time anyone knew the planes were under enemy control - it was too late to do anything about it.
Moonhawk said:
Finding a ship in the middle of the med using equipment typically found on board a commercial airliner - then crashing into it - would be no mean feat.
there is a live tracking on the Internet ( https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ )...hitting a huge ship going relatively slow on a predictable route shouldn't be problem even for a novice pilotvescaegg said:
An unknown large aircraft even remotely being directed at a western country would not get very far these days id imagine.
I'm not convinced, MH370 didn't have too much problem being undetected simply by turning off the transponder. There are lots of western countries a large low flying jet could reach before being detected, identified and then for a military aircraft to scramble and reach and get permission to shoot it down. That process would take quite a long time.
kev b said:
How hard can it be to spot a ship in the Med? On a clear day you can see a vessels wake from a great distance, finding a specific ship might be more difficult though.
I am guessing that they would be happy to hit anything. Even if they hit the a rowing boat, it would make headlines, which seems to be their aim at the moment.onyx39 said:
kev b said:
How hard can it be to spot a ship in the Med? On a clear day you can see a vessels wake from a great distance, finding a specific ship might be more difficult though.
I am guessing that they would be happy to hit anything. Even if they hit the a rowing boat, it would make headlines, which seems to be their aim at the moment.el stovey said:
vescaegg said:
An unknown large aircraft even remotely being directed at a western country would not get very far these days id imagine.
I'm not convinced, MH370 didn't have too much problem being undetected simply by turning off the transponder. More a case of there wasn't a record of it's flight path once there was a need to find out where it had gone.
AreOut said:
there is a live tracking on the Internet ( https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ )...hitting a huge ship going relatively slow on a predictable route shouldn't be problem even for a novice pilot
First of all - you have the small problem of getting an internet connection on board an airliner.Second - how 'live' and accurate is this map. I clicked on a few ships on this map - and it appears that the transponder signals are sent intermittently. Some of the ships I found had uploaded positional data as long ago as 40 minutes. At a cruising speed of 12 knots that could put the ships position out by over 9 miles.
Hitting a ship that you know is there is one thing - but finding a ship (let alone a specific one) from a commercial airliner is a whole different ballgame.
You'd have to have a pretty specific targets to cause major disruption. Hitting a cargo ship full of rubber dog s#it out of Hong Kong is unlikely to impact anyone except joke shop owners in Blackpool.
onyx39 said:
kev b said:
How hard can it be to spot a ship in the Med? On a clear day you can see a vessels wake from a great distance, finding a specific ship might be more difficult though.
I am guessing that they would be happy to hit anything. Even if they hit the a rowing boat, it would make headlines, which seems to be their aim at the moment.They are mad and seemingly getting madder. Has anyone checked whether exports of Lucozade and Wotsits have gone awry?
Asterix said:
el stovey said:
vescaegg said:
An unknown large aircraft even remotely being directed at a western country would not get very far these days id imagine.
I'm not convinced, MH370 didn't have too much problem being undetected simply by turning off the transponder. More a case of there wasn't a record of it's flight path once there was a need to find out where it had gone.
el stovey said:
Sure, I'm just saying (without trying to do anyones job obviously) that it wouldn't be that difficult to arrive at a large western population centre in a big jet from Libya, even if they were detected on the way.
in a known stolen jetliner with alan ackbar at the controlsThey might make it to land over the UK but not for very long
Wouldn't of thought for 1 minute they will get as far as UK or the US without being shot down but still a pretty scary thought they have access to them, absolutely nothing to stop them filling them to the brim with aviation fuel, packing the cargo area with explosives and flying a few in the general direction of Israel or some Mediterranean island and see what happens...
How quickly would Egypt or Syria shoot these down for entering their airspace? And guess there is the small chance of colliding with another passenger jet
How quickly would Egypt or Syria shoot these down for entering their airspace? And guess there is the small chance of colliding with another passenger jet
Moonhawk said:
First of all - you have the small problem of getting an internet connection on board an airliner.
Second - how 'live' and accurate is this map. I clicked on a few ships on this map - and it appears that the transponder signals are sent intermittently. Some of the ships I found had uploaded positional data as long ago as 40 minutes. At a cruising speed of 12 knots that could put the ships position out by over 9 miles.
Hitting a ship that you know is there is one thing - but finding a ship (let alone a specific one) from a commercial airliner is a whole different ballgame.
You'd have to have a pretty specific targets to cause major disruption. Hitting a cargo ship full of rubber dog s#it out of Hong Kong is unlikely to impact anyone except joke shop owners in Blackpool.
I think that's mainly flown in and out. I saw a documentary on it once. I think it was a documentary anyway.Second - how 'live' and accurate is this map. I clicked on a few ships on this map - and it appears that the transponder signals are sent intermittently. Some of the ships I found had uploaded positional data as long ago as 40 minutes. At a cruising speed of 12 knots that could put the ships position out by over 9 miles.
Hitting a ship that you know is there is one thing - but finding a ship (let alone a specific one) from a commercial airliner is a whole different ballgame.
You'd have to have a pretty specific targets to cause major disruption. Hitting a cargo ship full of rubber dog s#it out of Hong Kong is unlikely to impact anyone except joke shop owners in Blackpool.
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