What is the Queen for?

[SilverSixer]

plasticpig said:

Breadvan72 said:

Other basic stuff to be taught includes the Civil War and the Glorious Revolution. The Queen now has jack all power, and that is as it should be. The idea of feudal ownership of land is a polite legal fiction. As for the Crown Estates, where do you think they got those in the first place?

Being a lawyer I thought you would know better than that. The monarch has enormous power but by tradition does not wield it. I wouldn't put it past Big Ears if he ever gets onto the throne to throw a spanner into the works by refusing assent to a bill.

Indeed. Chuckles will be the greatest gift ever to British Republicanism. Can't wait. That's why Brenda ain't budging. Wouldn't surprise me if she's trying to outlive him and skip to Saint Willy the Choppermaster.

Chuckles is already putting the institution in jeopardy with his secret letters and lobbying of government, which the Attourney General is desperately trying to cover up. The lid on that tin will be removed one day and the worms therein will be enough to eat the corpse of Monarchism, of that I'm highly confident.

[25NAD90TUL]

Hol said:

The crown gifted it to the public so that the income could be used to pay for good causes and such - in return for some of the money back each year as pocket money (the civil list). Which is effectively what we call Philanthropy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philanthropy

Ye olde Republicans have ever since coveted that money and like to 'forget' that it covers the cost of the civil list - and then some.



Its a funny old world!!

This is worthy of it's own thread.

Cornwall is wholesale ripped off millions every year by this. I suppose mainlanders don't see it that way though.

[Hol]

25NAD90TUL said:

Hol said:

The crown gifted it to the public so that the income could be used to pay for good causes and such - in return for some of the money back each year as pocket money (the civil list). Which is effectively what we call Philanthropy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philanthropy

Ye olde Republicans have ever since coveted that money and like to 'forget' that it covers the cost of the civil list - and then some.



Its a funny old world!!

This is worthy of it's own thread.

Cornwall is wholesale ripped off millions every year by this. I suppose mainlanders don't see it that way though.

Ripped off how? You need to explain that?

I know that there is such a thing as the Duchy of Cornwall.
Are you guys being taxed twice on everything or something?

[Rovinghawk]

SilverSixer said:

Chuckles will be the greatest gift ever to British Republicanism. Can't wait. That's why Brenda ain't budging. Wouldn't surprise me if she's trying to outlive him and skip to Saint Willy the Choppermaster.

Leaving aside the emotive slagging, do you have anything informative?

[JuniorD]

Could the Queen be on PH?. Amongst other PHer qualities, she is a director of sorts, drives a land rover so likes her bangers, owns guns and shoots st, is a big fan of the military and flies first class. I wonder what her username is.

[SilverSixer]

25NAD90TUL said:

Hol said:

The crown gifted it to the public so that the income could be used to pay for good causes and such - in return for some of the money back each year as pocket money (the civil list). Which is effectively what we call Philanthropy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philanthropy

Ye olde Republicans have ever since coveted that money and like to 'forget' that it covers the cost of the civil list - and then some.



Its a funny old world!!

This is worthy of it's own thread.

Cornwall is wholesale ripped off millions every year by this. I suppose mainlanders don't see it that way though.

It's OK, plenty of us see what's going on. The obsequious are in denial, however.

[SilverSixer]

Rovinghawk said:

SilverSixer said:

Chuckles will be the greatest gift ever to British Republicanism. Can't wait. That's why Brenda ain't budging. Wouldn't surprise me if she's trying to outlive him and skip to Saint Willy the Choppermaster.

Leaving aside the emotive slagging, do you have anything informative?

Yes thanks, I've already posted up some of it.

[jmorgan]

Hol said:

Ye olde Republicans have ever since coveted that money and like to 'forget' that it covers the cost of the civil list - and then some.

I think they just want a shot at the title and replace the old with the old. It is interesting looking through that site for the republic, reminds me of the brake web site.

[Justin Cyder]

plasticpig said:

Being a lawyer I thought you would know better than that. The monarch has enormous power but by tradition does not wield it. I wouldn't put it past Big Ears if he ever gets onto the throne to throw a spanner into the works by refusing assent to a bill.

You might think that, but I couldn't possibly comment.

[25NAD90TUL]

SilverSixer said:

Indeed. Chuckles will be the greatest gift ever to British Republicanism. Can't wait. That's why Brenda ain't budging. Wouldn't surprise me if she's trying to outlive him and skip to Saint Willy the Choppermaster.

Chuckles is already putting the institution in jeopardy with his secret letters and lobbying of government, which the Attourney General is desperately trying to cover up. The lid on that tin will be removed one day and the worms therein will be enough to eat the corpse of Monarchism, of that I'm highly confident.

Chuckles?



I'm going to use that one when I'm on the Cornish Nationalist forum later!

[Hol]

ash73 said:

Hol said:

Doesn't the monarch legally own everything nailed down in the country and the rights to the minerals below and the sky above?

And the government acts officially on her behalf in running the country (Her Majestys Revenue & Customs = HMRC).

Also, the Prime Minister is the official first minister approved by her.

What an arse-about-face way of interpreting a constitutional monarchy.

A constitutional monarch must remain politically neutral and acts according to the rules, our rules, not her own free will. She's the Head of State, which in practice means she "approves" things ceremonially because she is required to, bestows a few knighthoods and appears on telly at Christmas.

Yes, you are right in modern society they do behave neutrally. (We ALL know that).


but I dont see how that contradicts the fact that the (Her Majestys) government is acting officially on her behalf.


You see, in no way or form did I say that she has any control over anything they do, say, or who they imprison on her behalf.
That all changed after Cromwell and the revolution (obviously).


Its still HM whatever..... legally.

[Hol]

JuniorD said:

Could the Queen be on PH?. Amongst other PHer qualities, she is a director of sorts, drives a land rover so likes her bangers, owns guns and shoots st, is a big fan of the military and flies first class. I wonder what her username is.

Its probably SiverSixer and she is just wanting some time off.

Windsor is technically in the Thames Valley after all.

[Hol]

Justin Cyder said:

plasticpig said:

Being a lawyer I thought you would know better than that. The monarch has enormous power but by tradition does not wield it. I wouldn't put it past Big Ears if he ever gets onto the throne to throw a spanner into the works by refusing assent to a bill.

You might think that, but I couldn't possibly comment.

If I recall correctly from school, she only have power to refuse a 'money' bill.
Everything else gets rubber stamped/signed automatically.

[25NAD90TUL]

16 million in Duchy rip-offs mentioned on QT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bdA8UXZrg0

[Hol]

25NAD90TUL said:

60 million in Duchy rip-offs mentioned on QT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bdA8UXZrg0

Cant view you tube as its blocked here at Holyrood.

Are there any articles?

I am seriously interested, and not just yanking your chain as all we know about Cornwall in the SE, is that you seem to eat a lot of cream teas.

Is it tax, or rental income?

[25NAD90TUL]

Hol said:

Cant view you tube as its blocked here at Holyrood.

Are there any articles?

I am seriously interested, and not just yanking your chain as all we know about Cornwall in the SE, is that you seem to eat a lot of cream teas.

Is it tax, or rental income?

Both, I'll try to supply better links.

[SilverSixer]

Hol said:

JuniorD said:

Could the Queen be on PH?. Amongst other PHer qualities, she is a director of sorts, drives a land rover so likes her bangers, owns guns and shoots st, is a big fan of the military and flies first class. I wonder what her username is.

Its probably SiverSixer and she is just wanting some time off.

Windsor is technically in the Thames Valley after all.

Funnily enough I grew up in Windsor, just off The Long Walk. There was a bloody great grey stone council house round the corner with an ever expanding family of seemingly unemployed immigrant benefit scroungers lowering the tone constantly. Massive gas guzzling cars with no road tax discs littering the place, they never seemed to get pulled by the plod. Never seemed to send their kids to the local schools either until some got sent to the dodgy one with all the druggies over the cheap side of the river near Slough.

They did keep their garden nice, though, in fairness - can't ever remember seeing a disused fridge out the front.

[Rovinghawk]

SilverSixer said:

seemingly unemployed immigrant benefit scroungers

Including their stints in the armed forces, including combat roles?

I hear Liz's schedule over the last 60 years has been pretty full, too.

[Qwert1e]

Rovinghawk said:

including combat roles?

I bet they struck fear into the hearts of the enemy!! They are put in a uniform and sent out to play because they are incapable of making their own way through life.

Show me any member of the royal family who's ever actually achieved anything. Anne is the closest I can think of and that's not saying much.

[SilverSixer]

Rovinghawk said:

SilverSixer said:

seemingly unemployed immigrant benefit scroungers

Including their stints in the armed forces, including combat roles?

I hear Liz's schedule over the last 60 years has been pretty full, too.

Yes, fair play to them for the combat roles. And everyone else who has performed such a role deserves equal credit. The pension and future prospects of a "royal" are, however, somewhat in excess of those available to the average serviceman it must be pointed out.

My schedule is pretty full. I don't ask the grovelling gratitude of anyone though, nor an enormous state sponsored salary and perpetual luxurious standard of living as a right either. A job for life is not available to me.

I'd have a lot more time for them if they gave up the publicly owned palaces as public museums and facilities and lived to a more moderate standard of living, though. Head of the Church and camels passing through eyes of needles springs to mind.