Discussion
Rovinghawk said:
jonby said:
If you don't pay tax because you are breaking the law (i.e. avoidance), it's not the rules that need changing, it's enforcement of the law
If you are taking advantage of a loophole that is deemed unfair, i.e certain forms of tax evasion, then the loophole can be changed through law
Learn the difference between avoidance & evasion before talking about them. Please.If you are taking advantage of a loophole that is deemed unfair, i.e certain forms of tax evasion, then the loophole can be changed through law
"Good post, but you seems to have transposed avoidance and evasion."
Asterix said:
Why can't people understand that to have a sound welfare system, one must have a sound economy first. It simply doesn't work the other way around.
This was posted in the Election thread but but it goes much deeper than this. It's the case that those who do not want to help themselves, those who would prefer a life of state support, the type of people that Labour would prefer to 'look after' rather than giving opportunity to break free of their depressed economic situation, just don't care about the big picture. If you don't care about something, you never try to understand.It's a very sad reflection on the thinking of too many people.
Pan Pan Pan said:
The problem is that the rich will generally be able to outsmart Milipede,
Funny you should say that. My daughters (both at different fee payig London schools) mentioned this weekend that some of their mates have mentioned overheard serious parental discussions about exiting the UK if Labour gets in. turbobloke said:
Not quite Doing A Kinnock but he could get there with a bit of effort.
I was thinking the very same thing.I believe that was the beginning of the end for Kinnock as Labour Ieader
Sir Humphrey said:
When the AMA does what it can to restrict the number of doctors practising and limit what nurses can do there is no surprise that the cost of health care in America is high.
If the NHS is so good why am I not given the choice of not paying into it (or even claiming back some of the money)? A quality service does not make people pay for it and then pay again for another provider.
Can you explain what you mean? In the UK the private sector doesn't cover all the services offered by the NHS.If the NHS is so good why am I not given the choice of not paying into it (or even claiming back some of the money)? A quality service does not make people pay for it and then pay again for another provider.
BlackLabel said:
"Ed Miliband has defended his decision to carve Labour promises in stone - insisting he wants to show the public his pledges will not expire on 8 May.
The limestone monument, which the Labour leader suggested could be placed in the garden of Number 10, has already attracted widespread comment.
The 8ft stone has already prompted its own hashtag #EdStone and has been mocked by David Cameron and Nick Clegg.
But Mr Miliband said he wanted to be the first politician to "over deliver"."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32580534
Good for ed, finally a politician with some conviction. The limestone monument, which the Labour leader suggested could be placed in the garden of Number 10, has already attracted widespread comment.
The 8ft stone has already prompted its own hashtag #EdStone and has been mocked by David Cameron and Nick Clegg.
But Mr Miliband said he wanted to be the first politician to "over deliver"."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32580534
Ignoring the fact that he'll have to make a u turn on a deal with the SNP and that grubby business about doing over his own brother.
Zod said:
Lucy Powell, who is in charge of Labour's election campaign has said the "promises" carved on the stone are not binding!
Labour "Election Chief" - f*ck me, if that the calibre of people who will potentially be in charge, I despair!Lucy Powell said:
handpaper said:
Gargamel said:
No surprise Nigel isn't down with the kids.
It's been said a lot, but...A friend of my son, 18 y.o. and voting for the first time, tells me that "most" of the people he knows at college are voting UKIP.
Now, self-selection bias, circle of friends, yada yada.
But he's not what I'd call a rabid right-winger (doesn't follow Rand Paul, read zerohedge etc.) and Newport West isn't exactly prime UKIP territory.
Go figure.
I suppose we'll see on Friday.
turbobloke said:
edh said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
which part of his rant is no the truth though ?
I struggled to find anything truthful TBHStruggling to find something truthful - that'll be EdStone.
Labour's campaign drone said she doesn’t "think anyone is suggesting that the fact that he’s carved them into stone means, you know, means that he will absolutely, you know, not going to break them or anything like that."
It turns out that Ed's Commandments are basically b
ks, but we knew that already.And people still vote for them?
edh said:
edh said:
"facts" from Littlejohn...
"the prospect of this extra-terrestrial Marxoid geek as our next Prime Minister"
not extra terrestrial, what is "Marxoid?", Ok possibly "geek". "the prospect of this extra-terrestrial Marxoid geek as our next Prime Minister"
edh said:
"a party which beggared Britain by spending like a drunken sailor with a stolen platinum credit card"
didn't "beggar" Britain with spending, debt was falling as % of GDP until 2007. Then something happened - oh yes, Labour caused the US sub prime market to collapse and engineered the global financial crisis.
edh said:
"They also brought you the Mid Staffs scandal, which caused the deaths of 1,200 patients."
It didn't cause 1200 (excess) deaths - wildly overhyped claims from papersedh said:
"an undemocratic constitutional outrage"
It wouldn't be. The constitution permits is. Might be the spur to constitutional reform and voting reform. edh said:
"Miliband would bankrupt Britain, borrowing more, taxing more, spending more and reversing the popular reforms to welfare benefits.
He'd take us back to the socialist, statist Seventies.
Wouldn't bankrupt Britain, how could it?. Welfare reforms not popular, no plans for "seventies style" state control of industryHe'd take us back to the socialist, statist Seventies.
edh said:
"...propped up by a gang of Stalinist separatists"
really? Ok separatists maybe. In practice they are often to the right of Labouredh said:
"she can realise her dream of turning Scotland into a cross between basket-case Greece and East Germany before the fall of communism.
I'm sure she dreams of little else...Thanks for explaining that the financial crisis ion Western Europe was actually an American problem. The way I experienced it, it was due to economic mismanagement by Labour over a period of years.
Also, debt as a % of GDP was steadily rising between 2002 and 2008, despite over 30% growth in GDP:
2001 37.3%
2002 37.1
2003 38.7
2003 40.3
2005 41.7
2006 42.7
2007 43.9
2008 51.9
I will concede that, technically, they maybe can't bankrupt the Country. To all intents and purposes, though, they did that last time so there's every reason to think, given what we've heard and seen recently, that they'd do it again.
Beati Dogu said:
I was surprised and not a little disappointed to see Delia Smith come out in support of this clown.
I wish these guilt-ridden millionaires would realise that they can offload their wealth at any time by writing a cheque to the treasury, who will spend it wisely. They don't need to wait for new taxes to make it legit.
Delia needs her millions to keep her football club going.I wish these guilt-ridden millionaires would realise that they can offload their wealth at any time by writing a cheque to the treasury, who will spend it wisely. They don't need to wait for new taxes to make it legit.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 5th May 18:17
Zod said:
A continuation of effective, responsible government, preferably without need of the LibDems. Obviously.
The truly irritating thing about this election is that (I think) if the current Coalition could stand as a single entity, they would walk to a big overall majority. The Coalition is, right now, greater than the sum of its parts, but the fact thathte two parts have to stand separately is benefiting Miliband enormously. 
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