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Pan Pan Pan said:
Watched an episode of Bear Grylls `The Island' the other day, and it was a fairly a fairly good metaphor for society.
They `all' needed to work at surviving
There was one bloke, who understood the position they were in, and started to work to improve it.
There were a larger group, who were prepared to graft, but needed a bit of leadership
to ensure they acquired enough resource to survive.
Finally there was one bloke who sat on the beach all day cleaning the sand from between his toes with a toothbrush. but still expected to share the resources (water, shelter, food etc, that the others had assembled.
Guess which one epitomises the average labour supporter?
Maybe Beach Guy was thinking who the fThey `all' needed to work at surviving
There was one bloke, who understood the position they were in, and started to work to improve it.
There were a larger group, who were prepared to graft, but needed a bit of leadership
to ensure they acquired enough resource to survive.
Finally there was one bloke who sat on the beach all day cleaning the sand from between his toes with a toothbrush. but still expected to share the resources (water, shelter, food etc, that the others had assembled.
Guess which one epitomises the average labour supporter?
k cares, it's only TV show. MarshPhantom said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Watched an episode of Bear Grylls `The Island' the other day, and it was a fairly a fairly good metaphor for society.
They `all' needed to work at surviving
There was one bloke, who understood the position they were in, and started to work to improve it.
There were a larger group, who were prepared to graft, but needed a bit of leadership
to ensure they acquired enough resource to survive.
Finally there was one bloke who sat on the beach all day cleaning the sand from between his toes with a toothbrush. but still expected to share the resources (water, shelter, food etc, that the others had assembled.
Guess which one epitomises the average labour supporter?
Maybe Beach Guy was thinking who the fThey `all' needed to work at surviving
There was one bloke, who understood the position they were in, and started to work to improve it.
There were a larger group, who were prepared to graft, but needed a bit of leadership
to ensure they acquired enough resource to survive.
Finally there was one bloke who sat on the beach all day cleaning the sand from between his toes with a toothbrush. but still expected to share the resources (water, shelter, food etc, that the others had assembled.
Guess which one epitomises the average labour supporter?
k cares, it's only TV show. BlackLabel said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FdbH4rN9b4
Miliband must be pretty desperate to go over to Russell Brand's house in the middle of the night to offer him an interview.
As Mt Brands house is worth over 2 million pounds, and he is alleged to be worth over nine million pounds, Perhaps he wanted a chat with `Ed' regarding mansion tax, and other `options' ?Miliband must be pretty desperate to go over to Russell Brand's house in the middle of the night to offer him an interview.
Edited by BlackLabel on Tuesday 28th April 18:18
The funniest incident re Mr Brand, was how angry he got when a reporter asked Mr ( I hate the rich, and capitalism ) Brand, how much his accommodation cost.
I watched a little of Mr Brands discussion with Ed, but it started to make me feel ill, so I turned it off.
turbobloke said:
MarshPhantom said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Watched an episode of Bear Grylls `The Island' the other day, and it was a fairly a fairly good metaphor for society.
They `all' needed to work at surviving
There was one bloke, who understood the position they were in, and started to work to improve it.
There were a larger group, who were prepared to graft, but needed a bit of leadership
to ensure they acquired enough resource to survive.
Finally there was one bloke who sat on the beach all day cleaning the sand from between his toes with a toothbrush. but still expected to share the resources (water, shelter, food etc, that the others had assembled.
Guess which one epitomises the average labour supporter?
Maybe Beach Guy was thinking who the fThey `all' needed to work at surviving
There was one bloke, who understood the position they were in, and started to work to improve it.
There were a larger group, who were prepared to graft, but needed a bit of leadership
to ensure they acquired enough resource to survive.
Finally there was one bloke who sat on the beach all day cleaning the sand from between his toes with a toothbrush. but still expected to share the resources (water, shelter, food etc, that the others had assembled.
Guess which one epitomises the average labour supporter?
k cares, it's only TV show. MarshPhantom said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Watched an episode of Bear Grylls `The Island' the other day, and it was a fairly a fairly good metaphor for society.
They `all' needed to work at surviving
There was one bloke, who understood the position they were in, and started to work to improve it.
There were a larger group, who were prepared to graft, but needed a bit of leadership
to ensure they acquired enough resource to survive.
Finally there was one bloke who sat on the beach all day cleaning the sand from between his toes with a toothbrush. but still expected to share the resources (water, shelter, food etc, that the others had assembled.
Guess which one epitomises the average labour supporter?
Maybe Beach Guy was thinking who the fThey `all' needed to work at surviving
There was one bloke, who understood the position they were in, and started to work to improve it.
There were a larger group, who were prepared to graft, but needed a bit of leadership
to ensure they acquired enough resource to survive.
Finally there was one bloke who sat on the beach all day cleaning the sand from between his toes with a toothbrush. but still expected to share the resources (water, shelter, food etc, that the others had assembled.
Guess which one epitomises the average labour supporter?
k cares, it's only TV show. Sorry post went off early again.
To Continue it was perhaps the prospect of getting some real food that overcame his inclination to just sit on the beach, and let others do the dangerous stuff and the work needed to survive. A bit like the can work but don't want to work (but still wants the same life style as those who do work) individuals, that we have in the UK.
To Continue it was perhaps the prospect of getting some real food that overcame his inclination to just sit on the beach, and let others do the dangerous stuff and the work needed to survive. A bit like the can work but don't want to work (but still wants the same life style as those who do work) individuals, that we have in the UK.
MarshPhantom said:
turbobloke said:
MarshPhantom said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Watched an episode of Bear Grylls `The Island' the other day, and it was a fairly a fairly good metaphor for society.
They `all' needed to work at surviving
There was one bloke, who understood the position they were in, and started to work to improve it.
There were a larger group, who were prepared to graft, but needed a bit of leadership
to ensure they acquired enough resource to survive.
Finally there was one bloke who sat on the beach all day cleaning the sand from between his toes with a toothbrush. but still expected to share the resources (water, shelter, food etc, that the others had assembled.
Guess which one epitomises the average labour supporter?
Maybe Beach Guy was thinking who the fThey `all' needed to work at surviving
There was one bloke, who understood the position they were in, and started to work to improve it.
There were a larger group, who were prepared to graft, but needed a bit of leadership
to ensure they acquired enough resource to survive.
Finally there was one bloke who sat on the beach all day cleaning the sand from between his toes with a toothbrush. but still expected to share the resources (water, shelter, food etc, that the others had assembled.
Guess which one epitomises the average labour supporter?
k cares, it's only TV show. There are people who take advantage of other folks' efforts, then there are those who form a subgroup to let them do so (for their own ends) while encouraging their dependents to blame others.
Promoting this isn't a good idea, it's hardly self-realisation to be dependent on other people unnecessarily, and too costly overall as the dependency proliferates meaning fewer people take on more of the burden.
Who knows, it might even get to the point where 1% of people on an island pay in 30% of the pot while getting only 13% of what it all came from.
Did somebody mention fairness?
turbobloke said:
MarshPhantom said:
turbobloke said:
MarshPhantom said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Watched an episode of Bear Grylls `The Island' the other day, and it was a fairly a fairly good metaphor for society.
They `all' needed to work at surviving
There was one bloke, who understood the position they were in, and started to work to improve it.
There were a larger group, who were prepared to graft, but needed a bit of leadership
to ensure they acquired enough resource to survive.
Finally there was one bloke who sat on the beach all day cleaning the sand from between his toes with a toothbrush. but still expected to share the resources (water, shelter, food etc, that the others had assembled.
Guess which one epitomises the average labour supporter?
Maybe Beach Guy was thinking who the fThey `all' needed to work at surviving
There was one bloke, who understood the position they were in, and started to work to improve it.
There were a larger group, who were prepared to graft, but needed a bit of leadership
to ensure they acquired enough resource to survive.
Finally there was one bloke who sat on the beach all day cleaning the sand from between his toes with a toothbrush. but still expected to share the resources (water, shelter, food etc, that the others had assembled.
Guess which one epitomises the average labour supporter?
k cares, it's only TV show. There are people who take advantage of other folks' efforts, then there are those who form a subgroup to let them do so (for their own ends) while encouraging their dependents to blame others.
Promoting this isn't a good idea, it's hardly self-realisation to be dependent on other people unnecessarily, and too costly overall as the dependency proliferates meaning fewer people take on more of the burden.
Who knows, it might even get to the point where 1% of people on an island pay in 30% of the pot while getting only 13% of what it all came from.
Did somebody mention fairness?
Me personally, I prefer the you can only take what you put into society, if you don't put anything in, then why expect a free handout.
turbobloke said:
Borg Collective? Resistance isn't futile.
There are people who take advantage of other folks' efforts, then there are those who form a subgroup to let them do so (for their own ends) while encouraging their dependents to blame others.
Promoting this isn't a good idea, it's hardly self-realisation to be dependent on other people unnecessarily, and too costly overall as the dependency proliferates meaning fewer people take on more of the burden.
Who knows, it might even get to the point where 1% of people on an island pay in 30% of the pot while getting only 13% of what it all came from.
Did somebody mention fairness?
expect something for nothing and want the Gov to run your life Vote Labour.There are people who take advantage of other folks' efforts, then there are those who form a subgroup to let them do so (for their own ends) while encouraging their dependents to blame others.
Promoting this isn't a good idea, it's hardly self-realisation to be dependent on other people unnecessarily, and too costly overall as the dependency proliferates meaning fewer people take on more of the burden.
Who knows, it might even get to the point where 1% of people on an island pay in 30% of the pot while getting only 13% of what it all came from.
Did somebody mention fairness?
Work hard and ask the Gov not to take too much from you Vote Conservative.
edh said:
turbobloke said:
Who knows, it might even get to the point where 1% of people on an island pay in 30% of the pot while getting only 13% of what it all came from.
Income tax is 25% of tax take in the UK (I presume you're alluding to that..)Figures posted on PH previously but from HMRC show that for 2013-14 this was the top 1% of earners contribution: 29.8% of all income taxes.
30% near as dammit.
turbobloke said:
edh said:
turbobloke said:
Who knows, it might even get to the point where 1% of people on an island pay in 30% of the pot while getting only 13% of what it all came from.
Income tax is 25% of tax take in the UK (I presume you're alluding to that..)Figures posted on PH previously but from HMRC show that for 2013-14 this was the top 1% of earners contribution: 29.8% of all income taxes.
30% near as dammit.
I don't feel the 1% are that hard done to given the huge asset price bubble that has benefited them so much.
edh said:
I think you're right on income tax, but I was just saying that there are lots of other taxes, so focusing on IT doesn't give the whole picture. IIRC Income tax is 25% of the total tax income.
I don't feel everyone who owns a house are that hard done to given the huge asset price bubble that has benefited them so much.
EFAI don't feel everyone who owns a house are that hard done to given the huge asset price bubble that has benefited them so much.
edh said:
turbobloke said:
edh said:
turbobloke said:
Who knows, it might even get to the point where 1% of people on an island pay in 30% of the pot while getting only 13% of what it all came from.
Income tax is 25% of tax take in the UK (I presume you're alluding to that..)Figures posted on PH previously but from HMRC show that for 2013-14 this was the top 1% of earners contribution: 29.8% of all income taxes.
30% near as dammit.
edh said:
I don't feel the 1% are that hard done to given the huge asset price bubble that has benefited them so much.
Taking things from people, just because they have it and just because you can take it without killing them, that has other names besides taxation. Theft is one. Robbery is another, daylight robbery. Neither of the above forms a basis for fair taxation.
The wait is over - two Marxist multi-millionaires discuss helping the common people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDZm9_uKtyo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDZm9_uKtyo
BlackLabel said:
The wait is over - two Marxist multi-millionaires discuss helping the common people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDZm9_uKtyo
Yes awful this 'what these working people have to put up with.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDZm9_uKtyo
Lets tick them off
- Complain about banks
- Complain about Murdoch
- Complain about Casual work sorry Zero hour contracts
- Complain about evil mutli nationals.
and so on and so forth.
The scary thing is this guy could be our PM in 8 days time...
gregf40 said:
edh said:
I don't feel the 1% are that hard done to given the huge asset price bubble that has benefited them so much.
What's wrong with moving taxes off earned income and consumption and onto unearned income and land?
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