Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6
Discussion
confused_buyer said:
Best bet is perhaps to leave London as is and offer some nice incentives for RBS, Standard Life etc. to move down the road to Newcastle. It doesn't look like they need much encouragement.
Exactly. A huge boon for the North East, and a little re-branding will do wonders. Royal Bank of Sunderland, Geordie Life, etc and so forth.confused_buyer said:
Best bet is perhaps to leave London as is and offer some nice incentives for RBS, Standard Life etc. to move down the road to Newcastle. It doesn't look like they need much encouragement.
Agreed / or split the jobs benefit over the poorer areas of rUK N Ireland/Wales and N England. Maybe its the naive who just think ach they have always been here the wouldn't move don't be silly - oh maybe they really will then a whole local economy goes down the pan.
Troubleatmill said:
Clydesdale bank just announced they will leave Scotland in case of a Yes vote.
Jings, crivvens and help me boab!
The more worrying question for Scots is how many companies will do this (or invest elsewhere) even in the event of a close-ish no voteJings, crivvens and help me boab!
This has been the most massive act of self inflicted economic vandalism whichever way it goes now.
If you were an American company watching the performance of the Scottish politicians over this issue, would you even bother to get on a plane to look at investing in Scotland?
Or just think, "f
k that, book me a ticket somewhere else....."Troubleatmill said:
simoid said:
What's the source of the Clydesdale moving claim?
Last words on Newsnight. BBC2.Presenter said "In the last minutes of us being on air... Clydesdale bank have confirmed that they will leave Scotland in the event of a YES vote"
I'm looking on the net for another source.
Not a source but some background. I hadn't realised they were owned by an offshore organisation.
davepoth said:
http://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance...
Not a source but some background. I hadn't realised they were owned by an offshore organisation.
They also own Yorkshire Bank too, I've done some work for them both in the past.Not a source but some background. I hadn't realised they were owned by an offshore organisation.
All my money is in Clydesdale too, so it's something I've been thinking I should find out about... but I guess this is a good thing for me? I'm not really that sure about the whole thing.
Source for Clydesdale Bank leaving Scotland.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04h8ht2/news...
Fast forward to the end. 46 Minutes and 20 seconds in.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04h8ht2/news...
Fast forward to the end. 46 Minutes and 20 seconds in.
S13_Alan said:
davepoth said:
http://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance...
Not a source but some background. I hadn't realised they were owned by an offshore organisation.
They also own Yorkshire Bank too, I've done some work for them both in the past.Not a source but some background. I hadn't realised they were owned by an offshore organisation.
All my money is in Clydesdale too, so it's something I've been thinking I should find out about... but I guess this is a good thing for me? I'm not really that sure about the whole thing.
imagineifyeswill said:
I have been trying to keep out of this thread as much as possible because I would probably get banned for my opinions of some of the yessers. Im hoping the latest poll results are indicative that sense is finally prevailing. Alex Salmond thought he was being smart getting 16 and 17 year olds included in the vote but may actually have shot himself in the foot. My 17 year old son who is quite political tells me that in his school theyve been having regular discussions and polls over the last year or so and that the young vote isnt anywhere near as keen on seperation as the SNP would like to think they are.
Yes this despicable government has tried everything to shape the votes. Allowing under 18's, not allowing expats, lies and fabrications, threatening businesses who speak out against independence, guaranteeing government grants for businesses who back independence, organising counter rallies at no events to intimidate opposition, calling no voters "traitors" or specifically in the most recent case saying we are in team Westminster against their team Scotland to try to stifle free speech.Shameful government and campaign.
MintyChris said:
imagineifyeswill said:
I have been trying to keep out of this thread as much as possible because I would probably get banned for my opinions of some of the yessers. Im hoping the latest poll results are indicative that sense is finally prevailing. Alex Salmond thought he was being smart getting 16 and 17 year olds included in the vote but may actually have shot himself in the foot. My 17 year old son who is quite political tells me that in his school theyve been having regular discussions and polls over the last year or so and that the young vote isnt anywhere near as keen on seperation as the SNP would like to think they are.
Yes this despicable government has tried everything to shape the votes. Allowing under 18's, not allowing expats, lies and fabrications, threatening businesses who speak out against independence, guaranteeing government grants for businesses who back independence, organising counter rallies at no events to intimidate opposition, calling no voters "traitors" or specifically in the most recent case saying we are in team Westminster against their team Scotland to try to stifle free speech.Shameful government and campaign.
The Royal Family, Labour Party, EU and US are *never* going to allow the UK and EU to fragment. Too many vested interests at stake.
The "No" campaign is today now at 53% and rising:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2751287/No...
I don't think the YES's will do it
I think the recent YES "surge" has caused a panic - a bit like Mrs Thatchers wobble in I think the 87 election - wobbly Thursady ?
I think the vote will possibly be as high as 58/42 NO/YES
I think Alex will cry foul and point to the financial institution "plans" as being done to undermine the YES vote
Whether this news is simply political pressure/ legally required information as obligation to shareholders/ skulldugery/ etc is another question.
The NO will end up as a noble failure. Alex will end up regarded as a hero for life by some and the damage done by the campaign will take a few years to repair. Most people will get over it within really short periods. Some of the more obsessed will continue to bare grudges for a long time.
Mr Cameron, Mr Milliband and Mr Clegg will all go back to their London offices and breathe a huge sigh of relief. Mr Darling will be damaged and sidelined. The BBC will be chastised for giving too much coverage to the whole damn thing and most people will simply forget it all and return to more important news that directly affects them.
Is there a page where you can put your vote predictions down ?
I think the recent YES "surge" has caused a panic - a bit like Mrs Thatchers wobble in I think the 87 election - wobbly Thursady ?
I think the vote will possibly be as high as 58/42 NO/YES
I think Alex will cry foul and point to the financial institution "plans" as being done to undermine the YES vote
Whether this news is simply political pressure/ legally required information as obligation to shareholders/ skulldugery/ etc is another question.
The NO will end up as a noble failure. Alex will end up regarded as a hero for life by some and the damage done by the campaign will take a few years to repair. Most people will get over it within really short periods. Some of the more obsessed will continue to bare grudges for a long time.
Mr Cameron, Mr Milliband and Mr Clegg will all go back to their London offices and breathe a huge sigh of relief. Mr Darling will be damaged and sidelined. The BBC will be chastised for giving too much coverage to the whole damn thing and most people will simply forget it all and return to more important news that directly affects them.
Is there a page where you can put your vote predictions down ?
Wombat3 said:
Welshbeef said:
Wombat3 said:
As above, might be wrong but I think there is a silent majority who will do their business anonymously and that will be that. If its as wide as 60:40 Salmond will look like (even more of) a moron.
Is there a chance lots of Pro NO voters have lied in polls to scare other NO voters to come out in force? Clearly the Yesers wouldn't do that as they need momentum but its a big scare to the Nos so its possible I would.
Join the queue to laugh at the Nationalist t
ts if it happens though 
confused_buyer said:
FisiP1 said:
Most people who choose to live outside London are made to feel like second class citizens in the UK these days.
Independence is the cowards way out of this, it throws the north of England, Wales, and Northern Ireland under the bus.
The real answer, if we can grow up and see through all of this pseudo-cultural-nationalist rubbish, is to address how catastrophically broken our system of democratic representation is for people across the UK. We need massive UK-wide democratic reforms, not the rhetoric of division and insularity.
Yet, if you ask anyone in London, they say London is badly treated for it's very large population and the amount of money it generates and it isn't fair how much it subsidises the rest of the UK.Independence is the cowards way out of this, it throws the north of England, Wales, and Northern Ireland under the bus.
The real answer, if we can grow up and see through all of this pseudo-cultural-nationalist rubbish, is to address how catastrophically broken our system of democratic representation is for people across the UK. We need massive UK-wide democratic reforms, not the rhetoric of division and insularity.
Basically, if you ask anyone from anywhere everywhere else gets a better deal. This isn't just a UK thing - you'll find the same in France, Spain, Italy etc.
king arthur said:
Latest poll says 53% for a 'no' vote. Unfortunately polling was probably done before Cameron said he would be heartbroken if the UK was torn apart, so it will probably swing back the other way now.
Regardless of your political views, fair play to Cameron for getting involved. The No/BT campaign has played a spectacularly poor game. It's well overdue that political heavyweights such as Cameron are involved.
Shame - and, arguably, it says a lot - that it took significant swings in polls to make that happen.
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