Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 6

[Axionknight]

Borghetto said:

You are clearly a fifth columnist and will be hauled off to Barlinnie Pridon, where you will be hanged.

I've had a good innings I suppose.

[OzzyR1]

McWigglebum4th said:

bingo

I have been told to fk out of the country as i'm an english

I was born in scotland


You cannot imagine the hatred being stirred up by these "people"

I'm of the view that what happens will happen. No influence as I don't have a vote but as an English person I would rather the UK stayed together.

Its just sad that whether yes or no, it looks likely to be against the will of nigh on 50% of the Scottish voters. Can see either result causing problems for years into the future.

[cardigankid]

[redacted]

[technodup]

cardigankid said:

The Asians won't vote Yes, God bless them,

Come to Pollokshields and you'll find out different.

[Beati Dogu]

McWigglebum4th said:

bingo

I have been told to fk out of the country as i'm an english

I was born in scotland


You cannot imagine the hatred being stirred up by these "people"

It's been allowed and indeed encouraged to fester into an nasty abscess in Scottish society over the last few decades. Regardless of Thursday, it's something that needs to be addressed.

I know of an English couple whose daughters soon learnt to adopt a Scottish accent in order to avoid school bullying. This was in primary school mind.

[Axionknight]

Where do you people live? ;S

[HenryJM]

cardigankid said:

No change is not what is needed. Current policies are what got us here and will keep bringing us back here. You don't live in Scotland - I do.

And why is 'here' such a bad place to be? If you put in effort does it not reward? What is so wrong that you want to put the Scottish economy at risk to try and change it?

[Derek Smith]

Scrubs said:

Well, that's me convinced to vote Yes now by this reasonable* chap.

• Weapons Grade tt

The problem is that emotive works. Further, it works at all levels, favouring the intelligent, or at least those with imagination. Once more unto the breach, dear friends and all that.

If you've ever been at the Albert Hall when it is packed and they are singing to Pomp and Circumstance {url}https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvgl_2JRIUs[/url] then you were stirred. I've been standing with an uncle whom I always thought of as hard as iron, who was in tears on hearing I vow to thee my country, and he was an ardent, and aggressive, pacifist. (Katherine Jenkins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHh8isGtB6w)

Although Dwyer, with his lack of punctuation and rather hilarious hyperbole, ruins it all, others will be more subtle.

The problem is that it works. Even if you feel far from patriotic, hymns like Jerusalem will effect most.

[technogogo]

Munter said:

"The IT infrastructure of the entire public sector will be shaken up should Scotland vote for independence - with Scotland paying a £1bn-plus bill to establish its own systems across the whole public sector."

http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/2367484/hp-war...

The cheapest bidder for the systems (IT, call centre and personnel) required to run the Scottish DVLA will be, without any doubt at all, the existing DVLA! They will have an overwhelming advantage compare to any other bidding companies. They will just charge a fee for each document issued or phone call taken. So the function would be provided through an outsourcing arrangement. This will be a good source of income for the DVLA but will be an increased cost to the Scottish taxpayer.

And there, in a nutshell, is the basis for the No vote. Paying more for the same service.

Saying that... A new Scottish DVLA could decide to be like the US system which would create huge income from all sorts of personal plates. This may be enough to fund formation of an SDVLA. Plus they could do that secure, central production system like that other Country in Europe. Norway? Maybe Norway may undercut the DVLA outsource bid?!

[Troubleatmill]

technogogo said:

Munter said:

"The IT infrastructure of the entire public sector will be shaken up should Scotland vote for independence - with Scotland paying a £1bn-plus bill to establish its own systems across the whole public sector."

http://www.computing.co.uk/ctg/news/2367484/hp-war...

The cheapest bidder for the systems (IT, call centre and personnel) required to run the Scottish DVLA will be, without any doubt at all, the existing DVLA! They will have an overwhelming advantage compare to any other bidding companies. They will just charge a fee for each document issued or phone call taken. So the function would be provided through an outsourcing arrangement. This will be a good source of income for the DVLA but will be an increased cost to the Scottish taxpayer.

And there, in a nutshell, is the basis for the No vote. Paying more for the same service.

Saying that... A new Scottish DVLA could decide to be like the US system which would create huge income from all sorts of personal plates. This may be enough to fund formation of an SDVLA. Plus they could do that secure, central production system like that other Country in Europe. Norway? Maybe Norway may undercut the DVLA outsource bid?!

Outsourcing, competitive tendering and privatisation.

Scottish electorate will lap that up

[BrownBottle]

The report Sheridan was talking about

http://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news/1039/scottish-...

Interesting reading.

[alock]

cardigankid said:

No change is not what is needed. Current policies are what got us here and will keep bringing us back here. You don't live in Scotland - I do.

I'm confused. Is Scotland currently a nice place to live or not?

[barryrs]

BrownBottle said:

The report Sheridan was talking about

http://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news/1039/scottish-...

Interesting reading.

Did you mean to link a recruitment company website?

I suppose if they provide the staff they must have expertise in the location and estimation of oil and gas reserves!!!

[Axionknight]

I liked them on Facebook ages ago, but this last month or so they have simply been a yes supporting mouth piece, come to think of it, I have no idea why I still have 'em on there.

[///ajd]

BrownBottle said:

The report Sheridan was talking about

http://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news/1039/scottish-...

Interesting reading.

Is that company the oil equivalent of "businessforscotland"?

It looks like it.

Look at Kevin Forbes (CEO) twitter feed. Mainly pictures of big Yes crowds.

Just what I would expect a big wheel oil exec would post in twitter. Or maybe not.

[swamp]

cardigankid said:

... The way to win this, now and in the future, is to project a British Government for the whole of Britain. Something radical. Rotate Parliament through London, Cardiff, Liverpool, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle. How do you know it won't work? ....

^^^^ This.

The Palace of Westminster needs to be closed for 4 years' repairs anyway. Kill two birds with one stone and rotate Parliament, albeit temporarily, around the country.

Eg Glasgow, Swansea, Plymouth, Belfast, Leeds, Derby.

It worked for England international football matches when Wembley was being rebuilt...!

[HD Adam]

barryrs said:

BrownBottle said:

The report Sheridan was talking about

http://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news/1039/scottish-...

Interesting reading.

Did you mean to link a recruitment company website?

I suppose if they provide the staff they must have expertise in the location and estimation of oil and gas reserves!!!

Lots of could and might there.

[quote=Oil&GasPeeps]Yet the area – off the west coast of Scotland and Outer Hebrides and Shetland –has remained largely untapped due to deep waters and difficult geological conditions.

The geological conditions indicate that there "should" be oil there.
Very expensive to explore and even more expensive to produce.

I have no doubt that one day, it will be explored but there's easier pickings for Oil companies at the moment.

Edited by HD Adam on Monday 15th September 22:00

[technogogo]

Troubleatmill said:

Outsourcing, competitive tendering and privatisation.

Scottish electorate will lap that up

I think they would see sense even if just for a three year interim arrangement. It would be such a clear win-win and may even be a long term arrangement? Scottish phone numbers would ease the PR issue. Along with Scottish branding on paperwork. This type of 'white label' service is routine in the IT services industry.

Or the DVLA could offer consultancy in provision of a duplicate infrastructure? I should imagine that the Scottish side of the table would favour this because it ultimately gives them an independent system compatible with existing vehicles and drivers. Hugely better than starting from scratch.

[davepoth]

barryrs said:

BrownBottle said:

The report Sheridan was talking about

http://www.oilandgaspeople.com/news/1039/scottish-...

Interesting reading.

Did you mean to link a recruitment company website?

I suppose if they provide the staff they must have expertise in the location and estimation of oil and gas reserves!!!

Seems legit...

Nothing mentioned about the measure the oil industry uses - economically extractable oil.

That's important, because a lot of the oil talked about is only viable with a much higher oil price than is anticipated. The rush to fracking is putting a brake on crude prices as well.

[Troubleatmill]

technogogo said:

Troubleatmill said:

Outsourcing, competitive tendering and privatisation.

Scottish electorate will lap that up

I think they would see sense even if just for a three year interim arrangement. It would be such a clear win-win and may even be a long term arrangement? Scottish phone numbers would ease the PR issue. Along with Scottish branding on paperwork. This type of 'white label' service is routine in the IT services industry.

Or the DVLA could offer consultancy in provision of a duplicate infrastructure? I should imagine that the Scottish side of the table would favour this because it ultimately gives them an independent system compatible with existing vehicles and drivers. Hugely better than starting from scratch.

The DVLA may not be allowed to do it.
It depends on the licensing agreement of any software they have bought.
It is quite often to see small print that says - you can't run the software on behalf of a third party ( which effectively deprives the vendor of another sale )